Jakob Ingebrigtsen Wins, Then Loses (Is Dqd), Then Wins Euro 1500 Title

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

With Ingebrigtsen being butthurt about the DQ and deciding to skip the 3000m and going home (assuming he sticks to his words) , the "Lewandowski Triple" (becoming the first European runner ever to win Championship Gold in Indoor European Championship races in the 800, 1500 and 3000) that was being joked about few days ago might actually now become a reality. What a way to end a career and write history.

Jacob reinstated as the winner. DQ overturned. Wrong decision in my opinion. Superb running today, but like so many times before he gets into trouble. Feel like the Ingebrigtsens always gets the rulings to go their way. One example is Filips 1500 worlds bronze, where he blatantly switched back to lane 1 on the home straight to block the spaniard. Oh well, now I think the double is guaranteed for Jacob. Summer will be exciting!

+1, and thankfully he has been reinstated. It’s a shame Vastenburg and Mismas-Zrimsek didn’t receive the same treatment yesterday.

Also, someone went and registered the handle I was posting under which is absolutely hilarious.

^Replying to the above^

Third time Lucky?lol

jakobchamp wrote:

Just been announced that the DQ has been reversed.

They probably just wanted to appease the Ingys so that Jakob doesn’t take his toys and go home.

JohnnyS wrote:

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

With Ingebrigtsen being butthurt about the DQ and deciding to skip the 3000m and going home (assuming he sticks to his words) , the "Lewandowski Triple" (becoming the first European runner ever to win Championship Gold in Indoor European Championship races in the 800, 1500 and 3000) that was being joked about few days ago might actually now become a reality. What a way to end a career and write history.

Jacob reinstated as the winner. DQ overturned. Wrong decision in my opinion. Superb running today, but like so many times before he gets into trouble. Feel like the Ingebrigtsens always gets the rulings to go their way. One example is Filips 1500 worlds bronze, where he blatantly switched back to lane 1 on the home straight to block the spaniard. Oh well, now I think the double is guaranteed for Jacob. Summer will be exciting!

What would you do if you were working at European Athletics and Gjert comes to you and literally says "either you overturn this decision or we are going home!"? Jakob isn't anyone, he is the best European middle/long distance runner right now and has a massive following. He is incredibly important for the sport.

Threats suck, but you gotta admit they are effective.

Lewandowski is at the end of his career, he already won Gold 1500m Indoor he will be fine without it, whom I feel most sorry about are the athletes who got DQ'ed for the same rule but weren't getting overturned because they are not #1 in Europe or got Gjert as their daddy. Think about the Durch girl for example who stepped like 1-2 inches on the line not pushing anyone just misstep and got DQ'ed by camera proof, and there were I think at least 5 more who got DQ'ed that way in heats but no one cares simply because their VO2MAX and threshold is a bit lower than of the very best competitor in the field.

This strong lobby is the same thing that kept Armstrong safe for 20 years in cycling (and Marion Jones in sprinting), I just hope our sport isn't heading in the wrong direction by protecting the most important athletes and choosing to do so over the simple principle of "same rules for everyone".

Was Farah DQed temporarily when he was in the infield in Rio?

It's ludicrous to DQ for a single off balance step when nothing is gained from it.

side note, I once ran the entire backstretch of an Indoor 800 on the LJ runway.

Side note: the rules are there for no reason. This also applies to PEDs. Did you receive the memo?

Hedjd wrote:

Side note: the rules are there for no reason. This also applies to PEDs. Did you receive the memo?

More like:

The rules are there, but if you are an important athlete we gonna find a loophole.

Same with PEDs, mid-tier runners often get busted, but the guys at the very top somehow never get caught. Surprise.

Jakob has 15+ years left in him to compete and win races. What's wrong with accepting one legit DQ, that many other athletes in the exact same meet also got DQ'ed for, learning from it and moving on? A true competitor that isn't just looking for shortcuts would suck it up, maybe punch a boxing bag a few times and then come back on the weekend and win the 3000m.

At least he shouldn't make threats that he is "going home and not running the 3000m" in the appeal, the appeal should be judged by the situation alone and by the rules and not by the impact on the sport and meeting as a whole (Jakob and Gjert were clearly using that to their advantage).

Stop pretending to care about the other athletes who were DQed. Prior to Ingebrigtsen’s reinstatement you didn’t say a word about them, and it’s obvious you wouldn’t have had he remained disqualified.

You’ve already made a fool of yourself several times in this thread. Best to quit now while you’re behind.

dude should just sprint to the front at the start, on the outside if necessary. Why leave anything to chance?

i can't believe we are having this argument based on jostling that occurred in the first 100 meters of the race.

Maybe I am just too adapted to watching high school track, but this is what middle distance looks like!

fka facepalm wrote:

Stop pretending to care about the other athletes who were DQed. Prior to Ingebrigtsen’s reinstatement you didn’t say a word about them, and it’s obvious you wouldn’t have had he remained disqualified.

That's true, but that's because they got the same treatment as he did - break a rule, camera proof, DQ. There are at least 3 or 4 runners who QUALIFIED for semis/finals but got DQ'ed, so we're not talking about someone who would have got last anyway.

Vastenburg got DQ'ed for a small misstep, in a race she easily qualified for the 3000m final. You will have a hard time explaining why this was worthy of a DQ and Jakob's full step inside was not. She didn't do anything with her competitors, just lost focus for a split second yet there is no overturning. Jakob meanwhile pushes other people around (not just the Polish, but also the British guy at the start which was even more needless), but gets reinstated simply for the fact that a lot of European T&F success depends on him and his brothers and he got a massive following behind him.

This is preferential treatment, we are not treating all athletes the same anymore which should be the case, whether it's a 8:45 3k girl or a 7:25 3k guy. All of them are working incredibly hard to get to where they are at.

If we are, it should at least be made obvious for everyone:

- Classify runners in championships in category A (normal) and B (preferential)

- Design two separate rulebooks - for athletes A auto-DQ for stepping inside line, starting too early in sprints, etc. For preferential athletes B design separate rules that allow them some leeway in the rules.

Everyone else who got DQ'ed in this meet took it with grace, realized their mistakes, and moved on. Look at the Instagram profiles of the runners who got DQ'ed and lost their spot in the finals, most of them wrote about it. If Jakob is getting special treatment, it should be announced as such, and not just hand him a "yellow card" and a "warning for unsportsmanlike behavior" which are the things now standing next to his title in the results list.

So you are admitting to your pre race analysis being all wrong?

high school xc coach wrote:

i can't believe we are having this argument based on jostling that occurred in the first 100 meters of the race.

Maybe I am just too adapted to watching high school track, but this is what middle distance looks like!

Other runners at the same meet got DQ'd and lost their spot in finals (which they could have medaled in) for even easier breaches of the rule book. If we allow breaches of the rule book in certain circumstances (for example European Athletics would actually lose a lot of money if they don't give Jakob Gold, if they would go home as they threatened, much less people would follow the 3000m since he is quite the catalyst for viewer numbers), it needs to be made crystal clear why these decisions get overturned for some athletes and for others not.

It's not about how middle-distance racing should look like, it's about having CLEAR rules and the SAME RULES FOR EVERYONE, not just cherry pick some of the most important athletes (which Jakob undoubtedly is) and overturn standard DQ's that other athletes had to suck up just because they are "special".

We go through the same silliness year after year with traffic mayhem on tracks that aren't fit for crowded races. Why is this tradition still alive?

Europe has one of the finest transportation networks in the world and there's no reason why its elites need to be racing indoors. Look at the weather in Athens for example, 67 degrees forecast tomorrow. Just run outdoors.

Whole system needs an overhaul.

objectiveobserver wrote:

They're 2-2 now, Marcin will win the next one.

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They are not 2-2. They have met many more times.

Lew will never win again in a race of importance.

Jakob didn´t run faster than necessary to win. He prudently saved his strength for the 3000m.

Please, learn how to use the “Quote Post” function.

I know reason is a bit challenging for you LRP, but I'll give it a try.

What you need to understand is that he situations are not similar.

The dutch girl stepped on the line without being pushed.

Jakob stepped out of bounds after being pushed.

The first warrants a DQ by rule, the 2nd doesn't.

Don't know why this is difficult to understand.

From reading this thread it's obvious that bias dictates what people see.

Not gonna get into it, but having watched the vids count me on “team DQ.” This was not just stepping on the line or some light jostling—he basically grabbed another competitor with both hands in order to avoid getting worked into an undesirable position (which he could have overcome anyway without the wrestling).