Usain bolt vs jacob ingebrittson in a 650 meter race

I think you underestimate Jakob´s 800m potential.

I have above stated that Jakob - if he will make an effort in the future - may run as fast as Centro and Engels. That is 1:44.6.

I know there is almost a konsensus here that Jakob´s room for improvement is limited but consider these figures:

Centro ran 1:51 at 20 and Engels 1:51 at 19. Both improved with about 6.5 seconds until 25.

Jakob ran 1:51 at 15 and 1:46.5 at 19. Don´t you think he can improve with 2 seconds until 25?

Potential? I think Bolt had sub-43” 400 potential.

Yeah I read that.

Konsensus?

You can’t really use select season’s bests to illustrate someone’s maximum effort or potential at an event—like Centro’s 1:51, was run in early April, when he’d run 3:36.9 the year before, and was the only 800 he raced that season. Nor can you use other (less prodigious, as in like a prodigy) athletes’ progression to project Jakob’s improvement.

Yes, I think Jakob could probably run 1:44.6 at some point if he’s motivated to—but it’s no certainty, as he’s in the mold of an El G or Lagat, neither of whom officially broke 1:46. I didn’t realize we were supposed to be using some hypothetical future-Jakob. I thought 1:45.6 was generous enough considering his Ingebrigtsen family record is 1:46.44.

Konsensus?

Consensus! As you possibly are aware neither English nor American is my first language.

objectiveobserver wrote:

Centro ran 1:51 at 20 and Engels 1:51 at 19. Both improved with about 6.5 seconds until 25.

Jakob ran 1:51 at 15 and 1:46.5 at 19.

John Wesley Harding wrote:

You can’t really use select season’s bests to illustrate someone’s maximum effort or potential at an event—like Centro’s 1:51, was run in early April, when he’d run 3:36.9 the year before, and was the only 800 he raced that season. Nor can you use other (less prodigious, as in like a prodigy) athletes’ progression to project Jakob’s improvement.

objectiveobserver writes:

I am not stating that Jakob should improve with 6.5 seconds from 19 to 25 as Engels did (Centro from 20 to 25) I am just saying Jakob most likely can improve with 2 seconds until 25! I am also stressing that none of these American fast finishers have been able to outsprint Jakob in a 1500m or a mile. Even though they have competed regularly since Jakob was 17.

objectiveobserver wrote:

Don´t you think he can improve with 2 seconds until 25?

John Wesley Harding wrote:

Yes, I think Jakob could probably run 1:44.6 at some point if he’s motivated to—but it’s no certainty, as he’s in the mold of an El G or Lagat, neither of whom officially broke 1:46. I didn’t realize we were supposed to be using some hypothetical future-Jakob. I thought 1:45.6 was generous enough considering his Ingebrigtsen family record is 1:46.44.

objectiveobserver writes:

The 430 miler made the provision that "both should be in their prime"! Do you think Jakob was in his prime at 19?

FutureOldHead wrote:

Bolt would smoke him.

Get outta here with this nonsense

Definitely Jacob. It might be closer than people think but Bolt ran what a 2:07 800 ht? 45 second 400 speed is something Jacob can't touch. I would give Bolt maybe a 500. 600 would be close. Anything over that and I think Bolt lacks the endurance as the best 100/200 guy we've ever seen.

Well, what about an ultra? Really. Come on guys, quit wasting your time and battery life.

Very good points.

Bolt may not currently be in very good shape.

Last I heard he quit playing soccer.

Either way, with bolt being out of shape, that would make the 650 race more interesting.

I pray to God that jakob does NOT move up to the marathon prior to age 35.

Bolt is too lazy and shiftless to run that far, so you have to go with Jakob. If the contest was lounging, stretching, jiving and shucking - then Bolt would easily win.

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

People here completely underestimate Bolt. He ran 45.2, 45.3, etc. many times. That's crazy fast for a 100/200 specialist, he wasn't your usual "super muscular sprinter on steroids that can squat and DL 400+ pounds but sucks in 400+", he was actually quite weak in the weight room for a sprinter (to his defense, being tall makes lifts harder).

Jakob can't break 49.0 out of the blocks. So in 400, Bolt is 10% faster which is huge. That's like a 30 min 10k guy vs a 33 min 10k guy. It takes a long time for Jakob to approach the level of Bolt, and certainly not the 400 and 450m that were mentioned here.

OP is right, the turning point would be probably between 600-700, but that's in solo TT conditions. In a race, Bolt just needs to hold on and then kick the last 50m and win.

Jakob could easily run 49 out of the blocks. You think the random guy on your high school 4x4 is better at the 400 than he is? I’m sure he could run 47

Webb would have dusted both of them.

No way is Jakob going under 48. If he could his kick would be better and he would not have a 1:46 pb. He is a 1500/5000m type of runner

Bolt would win over 550. 600 is uncertain with 650 going to Jakob

Bolt is overated at 400m but even off 45 shape he could coast 400m in 47 and hold on for another 50m.

This post was done to the limit with Bekele vs Bolt. With even Michael Johnson chipping in on a video.

True, Bolt is amazing, but Jakob will lead in 650, I have no doubt in that.

Bolt would be using like 75% of his speed reserve to run a 1:16. No, he isn't aerobically trained but a 650 would be primarily anaerobic. People wayyyy underestimate the importance of speed reserve and top speed in the long sprints and 800.

I mean, of course Jakob would beat the now-retired Usain Bolt in a 650 meter race. Peak Bolt? No way. Peak Bolt was the best 400 meter runner in the world, but just never ran it.