Usain bolt vs jacob ingebrittson in a 650 meter race

Usain Bolt because Black Lives Matter ✊?

I might take Jacob in a 450 meter race. 650 would definitely be Jacob.

definitely Jacob in anything over 400.

People here completely underestimate Bolt. He ran 45.2, 45.3, etc. many times. That's crazy fast for a 100/200 specialist, he wasn't your usual "super muscular sprinter on steroids that can squat and DL 400+ pounds but sucks in 400+", he was actually quite weak in the weight room for a sprinter (to his defense, being tall makes lifts harder).

Jakob can't break 49.0 out of the blocks. So in 400, Bolt is 10% faster which is huge. That's like a 30 min 10k guy vs a 33 min 10k guy. It takes a long time for Jakob to approach the level of Bolt, and certainly not the 400 and 450m that were mentioned here.

OP is right, the turning point would be probably between 600-700, but that's in solo TT conditions. In a race, Bolt just needs to hold on and then kick the last 50m and win.

Jakob would win a 650 with ease. He runs a fast 800, and 800 guys are typically better at the 600 than 400 meter guys. And Bolt isn't even a 400 guy, that would be the top end of his range. I think 500 meters is where it would be interesting. Bolt would win in a 400, but Bolt would be tying up at the end of the 400, he'd likely be dragging the remaining 100 meters.

Bolt wins a 400 by 20 meters. They tie in a 500. Jakob wins by 30 meters in 650. Jakob wins by 100 meters in 800.

Easily Jakob wrote:

Jakob would win a 650 with ease. He runs a fast 800, and 800 guys are typically better at the 600 than 400 meter guys. And Bolt isn't even a 400 guy, that would be the top end of his range. I think 500 meters is where it would be interesting. Bolt would win in a 400, but Bolt would be tying up at the end of the 400, he'd likely be dragging the remaining 100 meters.

I'll throw out some examples. The people I'm most familiar with that I went to college with, a 1:44 outdoor PR 800 guy could run 1:15 in a 600 indoors. Meanwhile a 44.XX outdoor 400 meter guy only ran 1:18.7 indoors for 600.

Jakob has run 1:46, two seconds slower than the 800 guy I was speaking of, Jakob would reasonably run 1:18 for 600 meters, same speed as a true 400 meter guy running 44 and change. Bolt may be able to run 44 and change for an open 400 (though he never did), but 400 is already at the top end of his capabilities, he would fade worse in a 600 than the guy I was talking about above. So I could see Bolt's indoor 600 only being 1:19.

I’d love to watch this on onlyfans. 2 Supreme Human specimens pumping arms, driving the knee, activating glutes. Usain vs Jakob. I’d say 450 would be where they are equal. If you’ve ever seen a sprinter run til failure it’s usually just after 400m where they collapse in a mixture of both agony and pleasure.

A real treat would be watching these 2 workout together. Rocky and Apollo style. Masculine and homoerotic.

Bokt would win on every distance under 800

Easily Jakob wrote:

Jakob would win a 650 with ease. He runs a fast 800, and 800 guys are typically better at the 600 than 400 meter guys. And Bolt isn't even a 400 guy, that would be the top end of his range. I think 500 meters is where it would be interesting. Bolt would win in a 400, but Bolt would be tying up at the end of the 400, he'd likely be dragging the remaining 100 meters.

Bolt could be a lot better in the 400/600 if he would train for them than Jakob ever could. He trained for 100-200, just lots of short and fast stuff. Imagine him running more and longer in training, and "trading" some of his 100m speed for speed endurance in the 400 and 600. Jakob is a great middle/long distance runner, but he is not the athlete that Bolt is.

Jakob is going to be limited by the ability to turnover his legs, his 1:46 that's apparently considered to be such a great time (in a race set-up for him and perfectly paced for his brother btw) actually shows a lack of speed and anaerobic capabilities since he can run 3:28 in the 1500.

Jakob wouldn't be much faster in the 400 or 800 would he switch the training. What's he gonna do with all his slow-twitch fibers that help him be so good at long distance? All Bolt has to do is bring his aerobic capacity up a bit, which should be a lot easier than for Jakob to improve his speed.

Jakob would probably beat most of the top current 400 meter guys over 650. Not close with Bolt. You have obviously never tried to move a 200 guy up. I have tried to move 400 guys to 800 thinking it would be easy it does not work. I have had 49 second high school runners put in a bunch of mileage and they go out in 57 and come back in 65.

Bolt would smoke him.

the448miler wrote:

I might take Jacob in a 450 meter race.

blasphemous

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

"Jakob can't break 49.0 out of the blocks. So in 400, Bolt is 10% faster which is huge. That's like a 30 min 10k guy vs a 33 min 10k guy. It takes a long time for Jakob to approach the level of Bolt, and certainly not the 400 and 450m that were mentioned here."

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What do you know about Jakob´s 400m time?

Jakob ran 51 when he was 16 reportedly without any training in bloc starts. I think that is quite impressive for a 1500m/ 5000m guy.

I could imagine that Jakob could run 48 or faster in the 400m now with some proper bloc start training.

And remember even sprinters normally progress until their twenties (Bolt peaked at 22) so Jakob can still develop his speed as he finish his physical maturation.

Jakob´s 800m time can also be improved if he cares to run some more races. He will possibly within some years be able to run as fast as Centro and Engels in the 800m (1:44.62 and 1:44.68). Jakob has never lost to these two gentlemen.

Easily Jakob wrote:

I'll throw out some examples. The people I'm most familiar with that I went to college with, a 1:44 outdoor PR 800 guy could run 1:15 in a 600 indoors. Meanwhile a 44.XX outdoor 400 meter guy only ran 1:18.7 indoors for 600.

Jakob has run 1:46, two seconds slower than the 800 guy I was speaking of, Jakob would reasonably run 1:18 for 600 meters, same speed as a true 400 meter guy running 44 and change. Bolt may be able to run 44 and change for an open 400 (though he never did), but 400 is already at the top end of his capabilities, he would fade worse in a 600 than the guy I was talking about above. So I could see Bolt's indoor 600 only being 1:19.

Bolt isn't some 44 second 400 guy though. He's the best sprinter of all time. The amount of speed reserve you have is 9 times out of 10 the limiting factor in 800m races, let alone a 600. When you run a 200 in well under 20 seconds 25 seconds per 200 is not hard, thats tempo pace. He most likely ran those speeds on recovery days. If ingebrigtsen ran like a 1:43 then I might give him the nod but w his pr now? HELL no

This is one of those impossible questions. If Bolt trained for it theoretically he could be the best 650 man of all time. He didn't so Jakob wins here.

YARLY wrote:

This is one of those impossible questions. If Bolt trained for it theoretically he could be the best 650 man of all time. He didn't so Jakob wins here.

This isn’t Michael Johnson, Jeremy Wariner, Wade Van Niekirk or any other 200/400 guy. We’re talking about the greatest 100/200 guy who has dropped some awesome 400s but he only split 44 with running start. The 200/400 greats run 43 OPEN.

They’re even at most 450 maybe 500. AND most 3:28 people can go 1:43/1:44 with 46/47 so maybe Jakob isn’t that slow...

Some of you have never seen 100/200 runners workout with the long sprinters. There’s a reason they stay 100/200 and occasionally do a 4x400 relay leg.

the448miler wrote:

I might take Jacob in a 450 meter race. 650 would definitely be Jacob.

Exactly. Bolt would fade really hard any distance longer than 400m.

400m is already above his best range. He could hold on an be world class in the 400m, but it seems pretty clear looking back that he was a true 1/2 runner. Trying to extend even more would see him quickly falling off a cliff. Dude was a power/speed endurance monster. But get beyond that 30 seconds or so energy system and he falls off a cliff.

I was wondering if you're the old 430miler, but 6 mistakes in two familiar names in the headline should clear any doubt.