Runner10287 wrote:
But the vaccines. 2021 will be better and back to normal guys!
Ha. Two weeks to flatten the curve. Stop buying the lies governments, media, and the faux science peddlers round here are telling you.
Outlook still positive with vaccines being administered.
New strain puts pressure on the time line. Still reason to be optimistic but we need to be ramping up shots now.
Unclear what your argument is.
I only trust "data scientists" who have books to sell!
Runner10287 wrote:
But the vaccines. 2021 will be better and back to normal guys!
Ha. Two weeks to flatten the curve. Stop buying the lies governments, media, and the faux science peddlers round here are telling you.
Nonsense. You sound like a great investigative journalist. Go expose the hospitals' malfeasance. Many countries have had fatality rates comparable to ours, though many of them also did not have the world class systems to know it was coming, as the gov't provided Trump last January, news he suppressed, except to Bob Woodward.
energeticlotuseater wrote:
xczvzxcv wrote:
There was very little transmission from the Black Lives Matter demonstrations because they were outside.
Then there should be no restrictions on outdoor dining, outdoor sporting events, outdoor concerts, etc.
This doesn't follow, because many of those events feature thousands of people standing very close to each other in one place for hours, often yelling and screaming. The marches had people on the move, usually not as tightly packed as a Trump rally or a concert, and they weren't therefore close to each other for long periods of time.
The majority of the people who died from COVID were old, in very poor health, and would probably have died within 12 months anyway. Not being mean, just telling the truth. Lockdowns cause massive collateral damage and do little to protect anyone, another fact proven by the outcome of previous lockdowns. Folks need to learn how to take personal responsibility and get on with life, which is something beyond their basement
zxcvvcxz wrote:
energeticlotuseater wrote:
Then there should be no restrictions on outdoor dining, outdoor sporting events, outdoor concerts, etc.
This doesn't follow, because many of those events feature thousands of people standing very close to each other in one place for hours, often yelling and screaming. The marches had people on the move, usually not as tightly packed as a Trump rally or a concert, and they weren't therefore close to each other for long periods of time.
Now you’re just doing a hell of a lot of mental gymnastics.
The BLM rallies & post presidential celebrations were tightly packed, people yelling slogans and sometimes these same protestors and celebrators were just occupying the same area for literal days on end.
The BLM rallies and Biden celebrations just happened to be causes you support so you’ll let their COVID infractions slide.
a bleak view wrote:
Math. Why can you not use it wrote:
Scotland’s population is about 5.5 million. The US has at least 13 metropolitan cities each with a higher population. The US has 25 states with a higher population than Scotland.
The highest population of any metropolitan city in Scotland is 634,000.
Scale is an important thing to understand.
Considering the restrictions in California and how they don’t seem to have control whatsoever I would suggest that scientists and politicians have no idea how to control this tiny little virus. Not saying that I know what to do, but I have a different essential job to perform. I was not trained in politics nor infectious disease control. ? ?
We know how to control it but people in the U.S. will never accept the personal restrictions and government intervention that would be required.
In CA the counties that are hardest hit have a large number of Hispanics and immigrants. In the latest wave 55% of infections are Hispanic compared with 39% of the state population. This is a population where there are a lot of multigenerational households and people living is close quarters, and where family and social gatherings are a part of the culture. It has nothing to do with density. SF is the most densely populated city after NYC but has one of the lowest infection rates in CA and among major cities.
I don't think masks and closing businesses and schools make much of a difference when people continue to gather in family and private settings. The only way to truly get it under control quickly is a complete lockdown. That means no one leaving their house except for medical care and essential services, such as food distribution.
It means people don't go and crowd into grocery stores or exercise outside. It means no one can leave their house without permission. Amazon, FedEx, and UPS could team up to deliver a box of food to every home every 3 days or so. Within about 3 weeks the infection rates would drop very significantly. Once the infection rate is low enough then testing and contact tracing become more effective, as we have seen in some Asian countries.
Of course, this kind of lockdown will never happen so we will stumble along with each state establishing policies that people don't comply with and the virus will finally run its course after another 300K+ deaths or so and thousands of more small businesses closed.
This. I live in Los Angeles and while yes we may have stricter measures than some states, this feels much different than the lockdown we had in March. Everything but grocery stores and medical centers/pharmacies closed. It was a ghost town, people were afraid and not a lot of people left their house. I would go running and see hardly anyone!
Our numbers stayed relatively low given there are 10 million people in LA county.
Our “lockdown” now is still having many retail stores and other businesses stay open and to be honest, people not nearly as scared or they are over it. Lots of people out and about, families still gathering. It almost feels like normal LA business minus maybe traffic a bit less.
I think part of our surge now is people just not following protocol anymore. So yes a super strict lockdown might work, but I can’t see that happening and people would probably fight it.
a bleak view wrote:]
It means people don't go and crowd into grocery stores or exercise outside. It means no one can leave their house without permission.
No exercise outside? Do you even run? You can't catch this outdoors passing someone for 3 seconds. No way.
This leads to fascism. It also never ends. There is no ending here. The new strain could be more transmissible, but much less lethal. But we aren't going to do science.
try harder wrote:
rojo wrote:
Seems like the new variant is spreading way faster than the authorities can get the vaccines out.
https://twitter.com/tpgcolson/status/1346095880454209539A national shutdown of the US would be markedly more difficult than that of Scotland. Scotland is about .01% the size of the US. In the United States you’ll also literally be faxing tens of millions of people that are intensely antilockdown and will simply not abide by rules (as we have seen).
It would be interesting to see Biden try it out.
I'm not arguing your general point, but Scotland "is about 0.01% the size of the US"? Are you mental? That would make it 10,000 times bigger. It is considerably larger, but only about 100 times
Harambe wrote:
Bound4Glory wrote:
There's no way the American people would abide by a national lockdown. It's not because they are jerks. It's because they don't believe the leaders at the CDC like Facui, who repeatedly and intentionally lied to Americans in order to manipulate their behavior. And they don't believe the news media/Democratic Party who weaponized the virus in order to achieve their political goals.
Once you squander your integrity and credibility, you lose the ability to lead people. And you only have yourself to blame.
It's true. The whole world conspired for months to take out Trump by making up this fake virus and killing over a million people.
That's it. It's all about your guy Trump
Well it worked. Unfortunately they didn't think things through long term, Or maybe they did?
Globalist scumbag.
Harambe wrote:
Bound4Glory wrote:
Anyway, here's where I'm at. I don't think Covid is a hoax. However, I'm not convinced the death toll is accurate: it's probably exaggerated. Before I decide, I'm waiting to see the total deaths (USA) for 2020 and compare with previous years. I expect it will be significantly higher, confirming covid was not a hoax, but we'll see.
From our friend Monkeys Typing:
https://monkeystyping.neocities.org/weeklyDeaths.pngI'm still not fully decided on lockdowns, but I'm leaning against them by about 75-25. Why? Even if the lockdowns prevented one million deaths (a high estimate), the cost is something like $5 trillion dollars or more. That's $5 million dollars per life. I'm sorry, but other people's lives are just not worth that much. Especially ones that only had a few years left anyway.
Look at places "without lockdown" like Sweden. Still took a massive GDP hit. US mobility was down before shelter in place orders. The pandemic itself is responsible for a large part of the economic devastation -- turns out a deadly virus is bad for the economy. You could argue that individuals responded incorrectly but only blaming stay at home orders doesn't stand up to the evidence so far.
Everytime someone cries about LetsRun strawmen calling COVID a hoax etc please keep in mind Harambe has been pushing the opposite side of sensationalized fear and ridiculous worst case scenario projections for a solid year now. So it goes both ways folks. Deal with it.
Runner10287 wrote:
Everytime someone cries about LetsRun strawmen calling COVID a hoax etc please keep in mind Harambe has been pushing the opposite side of sensationalized fear and ridiculous worst case scenario projections for a solid year now. So it goes both ways folks. Deal with it.
Someone asked what the death stats for USA 2020 was I delivered.
I try to source my arguments and rely on data.
You have never once posted a link to justify any of your barely legible swaths of COVID denial.
P.S. You seem especially "mad" this morning. (Telling a poster to hang themselves, bad look!) Election results got you down?
Runner10287 wrote:
Well it worked. Unfortunately they didn't think things through long term, Or maybe they did?
Globalist scumbag.
So, to be clear. The whole virus is faked to take out your guy Trump? I want you on record saying that because lolololol
Love,
Your favorite globalist
Harambe wrote:
So, to be clear. The whole virus is faked to take out your guy Trump? I want you on record saying that because lolololol
Love,
Your favorite globalist
Yes, the virus will go away on January 21.
Harambe wrote:
Runner10287 wrote:
Everytime someone cries about LetsRun strawmen calling COVID a hoax etc please keep in mind Harambe has been pushing the opposite side of sensationalized fear and ridiculous worst case scenario projections for a solid year now. So it goes both ways folks. Deal with it.
Someone asked what the death stats for USA 2020 was I delivered.
I try to source my arguments and rely on data.
You have never once posted a link to justify any of your barely legible swaths of COVID denial.
P.S. You seem especially "mad" this morning. (Telling a poster to hang themselves, bad look!) Election results got you down?
Rigged election but whatever. I just ignore your useless restrictions in real life. I am the maskless strawman. Cry about it.
C u next tuesday.
Runner10287 wrote:
Harambe wrote:
Someone asked what the death stats for USA 2020 was I delivered.
I try to source my arguments and rely on data.
You have never once posted a link to justify any of your barely legible swaths of COVID denial.
P.S. You seem especially "mad" this morning. (Telling a poster to hang themselves, bad look!) Election results got you down?
Rigged election but whatever. I just ignore your useless restrictions in real life. I am the maskless strawman. Cry about it.
C u next tuesday.
Yeah, I called it.
Post-election madposting. I could see it a mile away.
Deep breaths, it's gonna be ok my dude :)
I just said I don't care about the results. Just saying that it was rigged. Read you dope.
Relaxed dude. Deep breaths. I didn't wear mask and no one is going to ICU as a result.
Runner10287 wrote:
I just said I don't care about the results. Just saying that it was rigged. Read you dope.
So you don't care, yet you immediately offer an opinion on it.
Aristotle (Greek philosopher and mathematician) is getting even more upset with you :-(.
Try to have some consistency, or we might have to assume you are "dumb."
Wow if there's any doubt the UK is in trouble! The new strain could be very, very troubling...
Hard to argue against anything other than a total lockdown there.
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