Coevett wrote:
Thank God we left the EUssr so we didn't have to wait to go through all their red tape and beurocracy. Likely Brexit has already saved thousands of lives.
False
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-brexit-did-not-speed-up-uk-vaccine-authorisationGibstar wrote:
So we have a vaccine being rolled out in a Western democracy that hopefully will put an end to deaths, loss of livelihoods, and hopefully allow running races and events to take place (it is after all a running forum) and the first responses people post are largely around politics, focusing of a dislike for Trump, a dislike of the EU, a dislike of Brexit, etc, taking the thread off topic into a political mudfoght. Now I may be wrong, but I suspect most people are thinking "Great news" or similar and looking forward to a more positive way forward, I'd suggest these people who view everything through tribal politics are likely to be ranting lunatics types and no matter what the comment is of they will go on with their tribal ranting.
P.S. I respect views different to my own, but get tired of people who view everything through politics and criticize those that holds alternative political views.
OK, I have to say something to this. I work in research. You are basically saying I don't care about the vaccine. Get lost. I am sick of stuff like this being posted. You don't know anything about anyone who posts on here so stop making assumptions. Just because people go off topic it has NOTHING to do with their feelings regarding the vaccine, as I have explained earlier. So what have you done to contribute????
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Gibstar wrote:
So we have a vaccine being rolled out in a Western democracy that hopefully will put an end to deaths, loss of livelihoods, and hopefully allow running races and events to take place (it is after all a running forum) and the first responses people post are largely around politics, focusing of a dislike for Trump, a dislike of the EU, a dislike of Brexit, etc, taking the thread off topic into a political mudfoght. Now I may be wrong, but I suspect most people are thinking "Great news" or similar and looking forward to a more positive way forward, I'd suggest these people who view everything through tribal politics are likely to be ranting lunatics types and no matter what the comment is of they will go on with their tribal ranting.
P.S. I respect views different to my own, but get tired of people who view everything through politics and criticize those that holds alternative political views.
OK, I have to say something to this. I work in research. You are basically saying I don't care about the vaccine. Get lost. I am sick of stuff like this being posted. You don't know anything about anyone who posts on here so stop making assumptions. Just because people go off topic it has NOTHING to do with their feelings regarding the vaccine, as I have explained earlier. So what have you done to contribute????
Sure you do pal.
Coevett wrote:
Thank God we left the EUssr so we didn't have to wait to go through all their red tape and beurocracy. Likely Brexit has already saved thousands of lives.
The UK is aligned with EU laws until 2021 because that was the agreement when it left.
So this approval must have been compatible with existing EU laws and Brexit didn't need to happen for the UK to be different from mainland Europe in this regard.
Tatar wrote:
The UK is aligned with EU laws until 2021 because that was the agreement when it left.
So this approval must have been compatible with existing EU laws and Brexit didn't need to happen for the UK to be different from mainland Europe in this regard.
No, I don't think that's accurate. This would have required the approval of EU regulators and the UK government bypassed them, which wouldn't have happened if we had not already left the EU (ironically, Britain was the only country in the EU that rigidly adhered to every EU law and regulation, no matter how dumb).
expat nextdoor wrote:
Coevett wrote:
Thank God we left the EUssr so we didn't have to wait to go through all their red tape and beurocracy. Likely Brexit has already saved thousands of lives.
The same EUssr that cut all the red tape and bureaucracy needed for the likes of you and I to live and work wherever we want in the EU without much hassle?
Reasoning like yours is one of the reasons why people call us stupid for having chosen to leave.
Greetings from sunny Poland.
Given that over 70% of 'national' laws in the EU are made in Brussels or based on their directives, the least you could expect is the right to live in another EU state with minimum hassle. Even that's not true as you are well aware, we still had to go through a lot of red tape. Imagine somebody living in Texas had to apply for residence permits and visas to move to the next door state? Yet (might be wrong) I would guess a Texan is subjected to less Federal laws than State laws.
At the start of the 20th century, there was more freedom of movement across Europe than in today's EU. Lenin could move from Tsarist Russia to live in Berlin without having to even show a passport. Same with Marx moving from Germany to London. Now that only holds true of African economic refugees and ISIS terrorists returning from Syria.
BTW, I don't just think of myself and my good fortune. I earn enough and work remotely so I can live anywhere. The town in England where I grew up has been turned into a Polish/Bulgarian colony. Local young men have been totally frozen out of the job market because all the agencies have been taken over by East Europeans and only give work to their countrymen for the minimum wage. 99% of locals in my home town can't just grab their laptop and move to Krakow or Brno like me.
I have worked in research for most of my career. This is completely anonymous. If I was going to make something up, I'd say something better than that. We are not exactly paid well compared to a lot of other careers (unless you have been in the department for a very long time, and people tend to simply stay until they retire once they get a decent salary, which then can block it for anyone else wanting to get in, as the positions are filled for decades, barring research assistants).
Where I live a lot of people work in research. There are a LOT of universities and private organisations/labs. You can get in with a BSc only and often they will pay for you to do an MSc/PhD. Having said that, some of our funding was EU which is going to be difficult to replace. The rest is NHS/various other small organisations.
I am not making this up... but I suppose you can think that if you like, it doesn't make it any more or less true.
So yes, I was ecstatic when I found out that the vaccine was going to be rolled out.
Coevett wrote:
Tatar wrote:
The UK is aligned with EU laws until 2021 because that was the agreement when it left.
So this approval must have been compatible with existing EU laws and Brexit didn't need to happen for the UK to be different from mainland Europe in this regard.
No, I don't think that's accurate. This would have required the approval of EU regulators and the UK government bypassed them, which wouldn't have happened if we had not already left the EU (ironically, Britain was the only country in the EU that rigidly adhered to every EU law and regulation, no matter how dumb).
Yes, it was passed under existing EU legislation. The UK is still under the remit of the EU until 1 January as someone else posted.
'The head of the UK’s Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Authority (MHRA), which made the decision, cited EU rules. “We have been able to authorise the supply of this vaccine using provisions under European law, which exist until 1 January,” said June Raine, the MHRA’s chief executive."'
Basically we are under EU rules which allow for countries to make their approvals in times of emergency, so we are allowed to authorise vaccines for emergency use without the approval of the EMA (European Medicines Agency), this is the same for all EU countries.
expat nextdoor wrote:
Coevett wrote:
Thank God we left the EUssr so we didn't have to wait to go through all their red tape and beurocracy. Likely Brexit has already saved thousands of lives.
The same EUssr that cut all the red tape and bureaucracy needed for the likes of you and I to live and work wherever we want in the EU without much hassle?
Reasoning like yours is one of the reasons why people call us stupid for having chosen to leave.
Greetings from sunny Poland.
When Warsaw is full of English people like London is Polish let me know. It's one way traffic
ukathleticscoach wrote:
expat nextdoor wrote:
The same EUssr that cut all the red tape and bureaucracy needed for the likes of you and I to live and work wherever we want in the EU without much hassle?
Reasoning like yours is one of the reasons why people call us stupid for having chosen to leave.
Greetings from sunny Poland.
When Warsaw is full of English people like London is Polish let me know. It's one way traffic
What do you have against Polish people?
Well a tonne of places in Spain are full of English people - Benidorm and so on, that is certainly one way.
Places like New Zealand, a huge amount of their immigrants are British.
I think the problem is a lot of people were willing to totally shaft industry in the UK just on the notion of 'keeping the foreigners out', not realising the majority of immigration is from places like Asia, and a huge amount work in healthcare.
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Gibstar wrote:
So we have a vaccine being rolled out in a Western democracy that hopefully will put an end to deaths, loss of livelihoods, and hopefully allow running races and events to take place (it is after all a running forum) and the first responses people post are largely around politics, focusing of a dislike for Trump, a dislike of the EU, a dislike of Brexit, etc.
My BIL spent a month before the election saying he’d NEVER take the Trump vaccine, it wasn’t safe, Trump was pressuring the FDA, they were cutting corners , etc. etc. I talked to him yesterday and he now says “of course I’m getting the vaccine as soon as possible, you’d be crazy not to.”
ukathleticscoach wrote:
expat nextdoor wrote:
The same EUssr that cut all the red tape and bureaucracy needed for the likes of you and I to live and work wherever we want in the EU without much hassle?
Reasoning like yours is one of the reasons why people call us stupid for having chosen to leave.
Greetings from sunny Poland.
When Warsaw is full of English people like London is Polish let me know. It's one way traffic
I got my first job with a Polish guy who'd moved to London, I was the only native English speaker in the office. They are welcome as far as I'm concerned.
Coevett wrote:
Tatar wrote:
The UK is aligned with EU laws until 2021 because that was the agreement when it left.
So this approval must have been compatible with existing EU laws and Brexit didn't need to happen for the UK to be different from mainland Europe in this regard.
No, I don't think that's accurate. This would have required the approval of EU regulators and the UK government bypassed them, which wouldn't have happened if we had not already left the EU (ironically, Britain was the only country in the EU that rigidly adhered to every EU law and regulation, no matter how dumb).
We know coevett, we know.
You got this one all wrong, take a break.