For those who oppose restrictions and won’t take the vaccine

failed humans wrote:

energeticlotuseater wrote:

I don’t see why I can’t personally have it both ways. At least half the population will get antibodies through the vaccine. A**holes like me, who didn’t change their life at all (going to work, going to bars, restaurants, weddings, etc) will just get the antibodies through constant exposure to virus and thus won’t need the vaccine.

Fixed the bolded part for you.

Wonder just how many people you've infected by not changing your life at all. Selfish nitwits like you have been a massive part of why we have not been able to knock this down to date. smh

And youve infected your own life with negativity. Probably wont amount to much in life. Which is why you are a big proponent of dragging everyone down with you and staying home like a caged animal.

Harambe wrote:

Lead Foil Hat II wrote:

Sheesh, you need to stop being a bigoted dick and lumping while groups of people together as having the same opinon! Sheesh!

COVID deniers can all be lumped together into the same "low-IQ and unaware of it" group!

Name calling is quite childish. Perhaps you need to be put in unconscious bias training.

Yes we do. We really do have a solution. It is the millions of years of evolution that our genes and blood and bodies have survived through. THAT is more effective against covid than any rushed, artificial bandaid.

Even people who get flu vaccines can still get sick.

Even people who get covid and go to the hospital, the doctors do not do anything to make them get better. Their bodies are ultimately what gets rid of the virus. Out of all the people who contracted covid and then recovered, 99.9% of those people did so by having their own bodies deal with it.

No other magic procedure, or surgery or drug.

So in a way, people who get covid should stay home because theres nothing a hospital can do anyway, and the people with other medical emergencies should definitely go to the hospital.

Enough with the fear. Onwards toward a normal, optimistic outlook. Where we can run races, train at high school tracks or in the woods near your home. Go out to restaurants with loved ones or hot dates. Shake hands. Hug. Laugh. Be happy. And cherish the right to pursue happiness.

Bullet_Proof wrote:

Sally Vicks wrote:

How long until we’d have herd immunity?

Refusal to get the vaccine will kill the economy.

1.) As everything is permitted to open back up, herd immunity will be reached within 2 weeks. If after that time period we deem it necessary for additional measures, we will keep the economy 100% open for an additonal 6 months to achieve herd immunity. And yes, massive pool parties will be had and enjoyed by all. If youve ever watched VanderPump Rules, you know how fantastic pool parties can be.

2.) Refusal to get the vaccine will ensure that our bodies use their own defenses and thus become stronger.

LOL, I’m sure some of covidiots will fall for your ruse.

One the first point, time will tell.

On your second point that tanks the economy for reasons I’ve outlined multiple times. Shelly and DEMAND.

Supply*

Worked a treat for the Dakotas.

This is stupidly naive and I know you're a troll but here goes, bro. The most severe COVID symptoms come from immune overreaction (your body responds too strongly to the virus and mass inflammation causes respiratory and organ failure). Yeah seems good to let my "body deal with it," when steroids that suppress this overreaction can easily be given in a hospital settings. Secondly, acquiring immunity via viral infection vs. vaccine are identical processes - only the virus carries the risk of replication/high infectivity/immune overreaction. Yes you can have a negative immune response to the vaccine, but the chance of having one from the virus is much higher. Vaccine is just a safer form of the virus - simplistically.

I cannot believe you'd say this Flying squirrel. I recently caught covid. It is absolutely no joke. I have suffered badly from non stop coughing day and night, fever and chills, cold sweats, sore joints, I was in bed for 7 days before I could really move. It is a killer. The US is absolutely drowning in this pandemic, BECAUSE there are too many idiots like this who think this is about the size of your balls. You sound like a teenager. Jesus. I can tell you, If this were to hit people my parents age it would not end well. We have to take it seriously. Mask up america and do the right god damn thing.

I dont know how it will play out but I do not trust the democrats.

Sally Vicks wrote:

I’m not scared, youngish and healthy but concerned about the economy.

People need to feel confident going to restaurants, bars, concerts, vacation etc.

Without herd immunity or a widespread vaccine - the economy is going to continue to hurt.

This x 1000%

You can't have half the population participating in the economy. You just can't.

irunfastXC wrote:

Sally Vicks wrote:

I’m not scared, youngish and healthy but concerned about the economy.

People need to feel confident going to restaurants, bars, concerts, vacation etc.

Without herd immunity or a widespread vaccine - the economy is going to continue to hurt.

This x 1000%

You can't have half the population participating in the economy. You just can't.

Don't be a mindless parrot. You are repeating talking points given by F.D.A. & C.D.C. to their stooges in media. Dive bars and tattoo shops are no where near 1/2 of U.S. economy.

Since Keynesian Economic Stimulus has been the agreed upon action by both so-called left and right, Keynesian Stimulus that has been set into action is heavy toward cash aid to big business. U.S. government earlier this year gave billions to big businesses (maybe trillions).

There is another path. U.S. federal government could put healthy out of work barmaids & bartenders building high speed rail lines, working outside. High speed rail cannot use out of date freight rail lines.

This is a non sequitur. How would this solve the probably in the next 6 months. Also no one wants to ride a "high speed" train from NYC to LA.

1/2 of what you stated wrote:

irunfastXC wrote:

This x 1000%

You can't have half the population participating in the economy. You just can't.

Don't be a mindless parrot. You are repeating talking points given by F.D.A. & C.D.C. to their stooges in media. Dive bars and tattoo shops are no where near 1/2 of U.S. economy.

Since Keynesian Economic Stimulus has been the agreed upon action by both so-called left and right, Keynesian Stimulus that has been set into action is heavy toward cash aid to big business. U.S. government earlier this year gave billions to big businesses (maybe trillions).

There is another path. U.S. federal government could put healthy out of work barmaids & bartenders building high speed rail lines, working outside. High speed rail cannot use out of date freight rail lines.

Sally Vicks wrote:

Das Unkle wrote:

[quote]Sally Vicks wrote:

[quote]flying squirrel wrote:

It's called not being a coward. As they said in WW2, " Keep calm and carry on". Not, " Curl up in a ball, watch endless Netflix, eat junk food and turn my neighbors in".

Newsflash:. Nobody gets out alive.

I’m not scared, youngish and healthy but concerned about the economy.

People need to feel confident going to restaurants, bars, concerts, vacation etc.

Then stop shutting them down.

And scaring the beejesus out of folks with 24/7 fear mongering in the media

You’ve fvcked your quoting up big time.

I haven’t shut anything down, but people won’t fill businesses as long as this virus goes unchecked.

Businesses have not been shut down? I am pretty sure nobody claimed that you personally shut them down.

Some people will not patronize businesses as long as the media and the pols are scaring them 24/7. Do you really not understand this?

CovidGainzzzzey wrote:

Once another million are dead I'll be in the market for a vacation home or two and should my cryptocurrency dabbling pay off, add a catamaran.

@ 2.8 million Americans die every year so get your finances and paperwork ready

same here wrote:

I cannot believe you'd say this Flying squirrel. I recently caught covid. It is absolutely no joke. I have suffered badly from non stop coughing day and night, fever and chills, cold sweats, sore joints, I was in bed for 7 days before I could really move. It is a killer. The US is absolutely drowning in this pandemic, BECAUSE there are too many idiots like this who think this is about the size of your balls. You sound like a teenager. Jesus. I can tell you, If this were to hit people my parents age it would not end well. We have to take it seriously. Mask up america and do the right god damn thing.

Weird. You mask up and catch the Covid and suffer badly for 7 days.

I wear a mask as little as I can and have been fine the entire time.

Mask up America? Why?

1/2 of what you stated wrote:

irunfastXC wrote:

This x 1000%

You can't have half the population participating in the economy. You just can't.

Don't be a mindless parrot. You are repeating talking points given by F.D.A. & C.D.C. to their stooges in media. Dive bars and tattoo shops are no where near 1/2 of U.S. economy.

Since Keynesian Economic Stimulus has been the agreed upon action by both so-called left and right, Keynesian Stimulus that has been set into action is heavy toward cash aid to big business. U.S. government earlier this year gave billions to big businesses (maybe trillions).

There is another path. U.S. federal government could put healthy out of work barmaids & bartenders building high speed rail lines, working outside. High speed rail cannot use out of date freight rail lines.

How are the air lines doing?

No one closed flights, but people chose not to take flights.

How are hotels doing?

No one closed hotels but people chose not to vacation.

An open free market still suffers horrifically without a solution, you don’t have or seem to want a solution.

I have not been able to find any account of a contagious epidemic that did not follow the pattern I described unless someone found a cure. If you know of any it would e great if you could identify them. AIDS sort of didn't because they found ways to treat it so maybe something like that could happen now.

And yes, people have shown caution and economies have struggled in places where things have stayed open. That's going to happen if you bombard people with messages that say they may die if they go to McDonalds for breakfast and then go get a haircut. Similarly, you're going to have emergency rooms overflowing if you get people to panic and run to one whenever they have a headache and persistent cough thinking that even if they don't die from whatever it is their parents might.

Two other "goals" that I have here are to avoid getting vaccinated myself, I don't care if others do as long as they're willing, and preserving things like freedom of assembly and due process. To the first point, the only times in the past forty years when I've gotten the flu (knock wood) were when I got flu shots. I think my chances of getting covid would go up with a vaccination. And I honestly would have few problems with the restrictions if they were put in place by votes done by legislative bodies or maybe even if they were time limited. But I am very uncomfortable with the idea that a governor, county commissioner, or mayor, can unilaterally decide what businesses are essential and can stay open and who gets to go somewhere and why indefinitely.