Covid19 Cases Actually AREN'T Rising - Here's Why

Deaths are currently rising again after a fall trough, and we continue the unbroken streak of being above the excess death threshold since March. Try harder.

For all of the contortions that you must have had to do to come up with this, I hope you didn't hurt yourself.

johnny99 wrote:

For all of the contortions that you must have had to do to come up with this, I hope you didn't hurt yourself.

no contortions, I rely on empirical evidence. Fact, reason and logic. This, sadly, differs from many people who simply do as they're told without critical thought.

Oh, OK then.

ok suree wrote:

Deaths are currently rising again after a fall trough, and we continue the unbroken streak of being above the excess death threshold since March. Try harder.

raw death totals are different from death rates. Many 'deaths from covid' are technically 'deaths with covid.' Flu deaths are also conflated. You also seem to be missing the point. People may have remnants of the virus detected by the high PCR threshold and are labeled as dying from covid when they actually die from something else. Remember, hospitals are financially incentivized heavily to make covid diagnoses. But all this aside, the covid survival rate has always hovered around 99%. The lockdowns are potentially killing millions from starvation in undeveloped and distressed countries. In developed countries, the deleterious health effects are numerous. The 'pandemic' isn't deadly at all. Your virtue-signaling impresses nobody.

suree wrote:

ok suree wrote:

Deaths are currently rising again after a fall trough, and we continue the unbroken streak of being above the excess death threshold since March. Try harder.

raw death totals are different from death rates. Many 'deaths from covid' are technically 'deaths with covid.' Flu deaths are also conflated. You also seem to be missing the point. People may have remnants of the virus detected by the high PCR threshold and are labeled as dying from covid when they actually die from something else. Remember, hospitals are financially incentivized heavily to make covid diagnoses. But all this aside, the covid survival rate has always hovered around 99%. The lockdowns are potentially killing millions from starvation in undeveloped and distressed countries. In developed countries, the deleterious health effects are numerous. The 'pandemic' isn't deadly at all. Your virtue-signaling impresses nobody.

Proves your ignorance. Excess deaths is ALL deaths--has absolutely nothing to do with Covid. It doesn't look at how they died, simply how many people have died. For some strange reason WAY more people have died since March than average. Why do you think that is?

You can look at the chart here:

You rely on empirical data and facts? BULL----!!!! The same way way you predicted Trump won the election based on your "metrics and modeling" before half the countries ballots had been counted. Ohhh thats rich!

In El Paso, Texas, the convention center has been turned into a field hospital due to the surging number of COVID 19 cases. The hospitals are having to airlift patients to San Antonio and other communities because they have not more capacity due to the surge of COVID 19 victims. The county morgue had to get prisoners to help because they did not have enough employees to move around bodies. The national guard is going to send 36 guardsmen to help once the arrangement with the prison ends. The county morgue has filed refrigerated trucks with overflow and had to order more trucks. PPE are in short supply. Hospitals are understaffed and health care workers are completely burned out.

It is all fun to sit around and play armchair epidemiologist and think that you have some super smart take on COVID 19 that shows that it is all hype. But the hard reality is that this virus is causing the collapse of health care systems in a way that should not happen in a modern industrialized nation. And El Paso is just a canary in a coal mine. Much of the US is headed towards what is happening in El Paso and could get much worse as back to back holidays will just mean increased spread at a time when the virus is spreading out of control from coast to coast.

https://www.npr.org/2020/11/20/936989732/texas-health-care-workers-on-the-states-covid-19-spike

W-Th-F we had three days in a row averaging 2,000 deaths per day. On the weekend, death reports are always way down. They were as low as 300 per day at some points between August and October on the weekend. They were at 1500 Saturday and 871 Sunday. When you're talking about 262,700 confirmed COVID deaths in eight months, that is a big hit. Excess deaths show that this isn't just old people dying who would've died anyway. And COVID deaths produce some of the conditions like pneumonia that some of you think are the real cause of the deaths. Death certificates name the underlying condition that caused a death. Every other disease or condition by nature is far more deadly with other conditions contributing, whether cancer or flu. If you said that comorbidities meant that they weren't cause of death in those cases too, then we would have most of the 3 million annual deaths in this country not causally attributed.

Same goes for COVID.

Here's more evidence that the OP's "empirical evidence. Fact, reason and logic" is being filtered through the prism of his own preconceived feelings about this situation.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/11/americas-best-prepared-hospital-nearly-overwhelmed/617156/?utm_source=pocket-newtab

If I die from Covid then I will be concerned. Until then screw this scamdemic.

From the guy who said Trump was re-elected.

Forgive me if I put no stock into your takes.

zxcvzcxv wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/23/technology/election-misinformation-facebook-twitter.html

Same goes for COVID.

Probably some truth to article. Unfortunately, the NY Times is the one of the kind spreaders of misinformation. I guess it takes one to know one.

suree wrote:

Not that it should matter, as deaths are largely stable or down, meaning the virus is even less dead than previously thought (and it was never deadly anyway)

But even if we do allow ourselves to become frenzied over the 'rising cases' narrative, that phenomenon too can be explained...

Consider the Covid test itself. This PCR test is often at a ~ 40 cycle threshold...

This is a large reason for the high number of false positives, thus contributing to the reported spike in cases and the subsequent hysteria

This cycle threshold was noted months ago but was labeled a conspiracy theory, although it's now admitted by many labs

Yeah no chance this is true.

ok suree wrote:

Deaths are currently rising again after a fall trough, and we continue the unbroken streak of being above the excess death threshold since March. Try harder.

The excess death threshold?

UnbiasedOhioVoter wrote:

From the guy who said Trump was re-elected.

Forgive me if I put no stock into your takes.

Never in history has a candidate had an 800,000 vote lead -- as Trump did in PA-- and lost that state. Until 2020 and PA.

Let's pretend there is nothing suspicious there.

The Unkle wrote:

UnbiasedOhioVoter wrote:

From the guy who said Trump was re-elected.

Forgive me if I put no stock into your takes.

Never in history has a candidate had an 800,000 vote lead -- as Trump did in PA-- and lost that state. Until 2020 and PA.

Let's pretend there is nothing suspicious there.

Can't find anything saying Trump ever led by 800K votes, I watched on Election night and don't remember that. I thought it was more like 600K, but whatever.

Never before have we held an election in the midst of a pandemic involving a highly contagious virus.

Never before have we seen the number of mail-in ballots that we saw this year, that in PA couldn't legally be counted until the evening of Election Day.

Never before have we seen a candidate who was as disliked by a majority of Americans, particularly those living in cities.

When you count the votes, sometimes the lead changes. This was anticipated before the election, just google "red mirage". In fact, the same thing happened in Trump's favor in Ohio and NC (google "blue mirage"); nobody's whining about fraud in those two states. Without looking it up, I suspect that Biden's margin of victory in PA was in line with the pre-election polls.

The Unkle wrote:

UnbiasedOhioVoter wrote:

From the guy who said Trump was re-elected.

Forgive me if I put no stock into your takes.

Never in history has a candidate had an 800,000 vote lead -- as Trump did in PA-- and lost that state. Until 2020 and PA.

Let's pretend there is nothing suspicious there.

It's almost as if mail-in ballots were used more this year.