The photo caption says in big blue letters: "Praise for a drug cheat?"
A whereabouts failure rule violation does not make an athlete a "drug cheat".
So kudos to Manangoi for taking the blame, and admitting he made mistakes.
(In hindsight) two of his violations could have been avoided with a simple SMS.
The third one could also have been avoided with a much higher level of diligence, had Manangoi doubled checked the entries in ADAMS (ultimately that is always the athlete's responsibility, even if they delegate updating whereabouts to someone else).
But Letsrun is wrong to label Manangoi a "drug cheat" -- this mentality only damages the sport further, unnecessarily.
But he is a drug cheat.... sometimes murders are sorry but they are still murders.
briswiss wrote:
But he is a drug cheat.... sometimes murders are sorry but they are still murders.
He missed three tests -- that's the most you can say with basis.
These baseless accusations only serve to hurt the sport.
briswiss wrote:
But he is a drug cheat.... sometimes murders are sorry but they are still murders.
Better watch out for libel...
rekrunner wrote:
These baseless accusations only serve to hurt the sport.
But they are not baseless. You may be able to claim that is not 100% proven that he doped, but "baseless" is a ridiculous PR statement.
Manangoi only admitted to what is public knowledge. I am not impressed.
What would be a welcome change, in a sad way worthy of a praise, if he admitted to doping for more than just a season, and detailed what regime he and his colleagues were on and who orchestrated that.
casual obsever wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
These baseless accusations only serve to hurt the sport.
But they are not baseless. You may be able to claim that is not 100% proven that he doped, but "baseless" is a ridiculous PR statement.
There is no basis for the case of Manangoi. It is 0% proven.
casual obsever wrote:
Manangoi only admitted to what is public knowledge. I am not impressed.
What would be a welcome change, in a sad way worthy of a praise, if he admitted to doping for more than just a season, and detailed what regime he and his colleagues were on and who orchestrated that.
What should he do if he hasn't been doping for any season, there was no regime, and his colleagues were not on anything, and no one was orchestrating that?
rekrunner wrote:
briswiss wrote:
But he is a drug cheat.... sometimes murders are sorry but they are still murders.
He missed three tests -- that's the most you can say with basis.
These baseless accusations only serve to hurt the sport.
Your argument is like saying someone who refused a breathalyzer didn't drink and drive. I think most rational people know otherwise.
That is not what "rational" and "know" means.
It must be nice to be so gullible.
rekrunner wrote:
What should he do if he hasn't been doping for any season, there was no regime, and his colleagues were not on anything, and no one was orchestrating that?
He should have not missed any tests (and would have not).
briswiss wrote:
But he is a drug cheat.... sometimes murders are sorry but they are still murders.
How about those "murderers" that after all came to be innocent yet served years in prison.
Going with your logic you can say, "if he/she was suspicious of a murder at the first place (came across as a murderer based on someone's assumption), clearly deserves the punishment. Don't come across as a potential murderer based on your look or behavior and you can avoid all the trouble."
rekrunner wrote:
briswiss wrote:
But he is a drug cheat.... sometimes murders are sorry but they are still murders.
He missed three tests -- that's the most you can say with basis.
These baseless accusations only serve to hurt the sport.
The accusations only serve to hurt the sport? What are you talking about? People doping and/or missing drug tests is what hurts the sport.
And how can you say they are baseless? He missed 3 drug tests. Seems like something pretty solid to base my accusations on.
rekrunner, you are making some of the worst/ least intelligent points I’ve ever read, on any subject, in my entire life.
Dodged drug testers resulting in a two year ban. Better than getting popped for a positive test and a lifetime ban.
Kenya is a corrupt country because it’s full of corrupt people, including the athletes.
100s of Kenyan runners have been banned for taking drugs, even A list guys like Kiprop.
The Olympic steeplechase champion from Kenya just got arrested for having sex with a 15 year old, and he is a police officer.
For decades Kenya has been sending overage athletes to youth and junior championships.
The likelyhood that Manangoi was taking drugs and dodging testers is very high!
Corruption, cheating and stealing are the realities of everyday life in Kenya, in every aspect of society, from buying groceries to driving a car to legal system to banking. Corruption is everywhere, all the time. It’s why Kenya is still a developing nation.
If something seems suspicious and corrupt , your suspicions are always correct.
He’s dirty for sure, and glad to come away with just a two year ban, rather than be thrown to the scrap heap like kiprop.
henrik wrote:
briswiss wrote:
But he is a drug cheat.... sometimes murders are sorry but they are still murders.
How about those "murderers" that after all came to be innocent yet served years in prison.
Going with your logic you can say, "if he/she was suspicious of a murder at the first place (came across as a murderer based on someone's assumption), clearly deserves the punishment. Don't come across as a potential murderer based on your look or behavior and you can avoid all the trouble."
No. This is just as dumb of a comment as your friend rekrunner.
It would be more like being told they have DNA evidence of the murderer and that you are a suspect and you then evade giving a DNA sample. Not the best analogy but you’re the one that started the awful analogy to begin with.
Nobody is saying this guy should go to jail for life or even go to jail. Why would he be missing test regularly (clearly he wasn’t available more than just 3 times but they didn’t come) if he was clean? I can’t fathom a reason and considering he is making a significant amount of money as a pro runner, there no reason he shouldn’t be there to do the test. He is the issue. Not people saying he’s a drug cheat.
casual obsever wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
What should he do if he hasn't been doping for any season, there was no regime, and his colleagues were not on anything, and no one was orchestrating that?
He should have not missed any tests (and would have not).
I view part of his job as fulfilling the testing requirements. He failed at this job, and with quite lame excuses for the three failures. I believe he was hiding his illegal use of banned substances.
'drug cheat' is a loose, non-technical term.
ADRV is an accepted term with accepted definitions;
.ukad.org.uk/about/anti-doping-rules
for example.
Whereabouts failure is an anti doping rule violation.
So no, i am not going to be found against in a civil tort case for calling him a 'drug cheat'.
Managoi is a drug cheat.
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