Maskers: why didn't you wear a mask before COVID? Did infectious disease not exist prior to 2020?

I retired to Thailand. Prior to COVID-19 we wore E95 masks in urban areas mainly for the high level of vehicle emissions. In January we were second to China in number of Covid-19 cases. (It was high season and this country is popular with Chinese tourists, including direct flights from Wuhan.)

Everyone was instructed to wear masks, temperature was routinely checked even to enter apartment stores, and everyone adhered to these and many other draconian/authoritarian measures. Whatever your viewpoint is on personal freedoms, it worked. 9 months on & we have a total of 59 deaths, (about 1 days worth of traffic fatalities for perspective). For many countries, particularly the USA, the response has been abysmal.

The WHO changed their schpiel on masks after they funded a fake study to “show” that face masks and social distancing are “effective”.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext

They call it a “systematic review and meta-analysis” Anyone not trained in science at the university level will be overwhelmed by this paper with its myriad of authors with their impressive initials, lots of numbers, graphs and references.

If you can get past that and examine the fundamental assertions here and chase up the references you come up with a big fat nothing, like something that some desperate undergraduate student would cook up in the hope their tutor would not notice- or indeed when they are trying to come up with results that are expected of them.

For example, references to news and magazine articles, instead of references to peer reviewed studies. It’s basic science fraud that will go unnoticed by the uneducated masses- I doubt even university students these days will see through this, seeing how dumbed down education has become in the US.

Let's stipulate, per the maskists, that masks are effective in preventing the transmission of the virus from one person to another. And also note that maskists have never claimed that masks are a way to permanently defeat the virus.

As history has shown, and as epidemiologists agree, the fastest and most natural way to protect the most vulnerable people is to achieve herd immunity in a community by the more numerous, least vulnerable people catching the virus as soon as possible, suffering just a little, if at all, as this then causes the virus to flame out when it cannot find new, non-immune victims. Accordingly, maskists, by their own logic, are actually slowing the achievement of herd immunity, which exposes the most vulnerable for longer than is otherwise necessary.

It seems to me then that, by maskist logic, they are the ones who are being selfish, since they are not willing to put their health marginally on the line for the benefit of the most vulnerable. It's gross to hear the sanctimonious "doing it for grandma" and we the normal people are being selfish. If you actually cared about "grandma" then you'd take one for the team, get the virus, suffer some mild symptoms, and help us get to herd immunity faster.

Why would you say "history has shown" and "epidemioligists agree"?

Generally, herd immunity is achieved by vaccines, and not by natural infection. Going the natural infection route would eventually work, but we saw early death projections for that route. Generally the medical profession is against a path with the highest death rates.

The objective of slowing the rate of spread is to avoid exceeding the capacity of the hospitals and morgues, until a vaccine can be developed.

rekrunner wrote:

Why would you say "history has shown" and "epidemioligists agree"?

Generally, herd immunity is achieved by vaccines, and not by natural infection. Going the natural infection route would eventually work, but we saw early death projections for that route. Generally the medical profession is against a path with the highest death rates.

The objective of slowing the rate of spread is to avoid exceeding the capacity of the hospitals and morgues, until a vaccine can be developed.

I see your hands outstretched as you mindlessly repeat what you have been told by the Big Pharma Gauleiters.

Allen53 wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

Why would you say "history has shown" and "epidemioligists agree"?

Generally, herd immunity is achieved by vaccines, and not by natural infection. Going the natural infection route would eventually work, but we saw early death projections for that route. Generally the medical profession is against a path with the highest death rates.

The objective of slowing the rate of spread is to avoid exceeding the capacity of the hospitals and morgues, until a vaccine can be developed.

I see your hands outstretched as you mindlessly repeat what you have been told by the Big Pharma Gauleiters.

Curious approach that when I asked for you to explain your statements, instead you try to explain mine, with what appears to be self-projection.

veero wrote:

A lot of people were wearing masks prior to covid19 in Japan and China, especially during flu season. This was without any government orders or mandates.

how has that worked out for the Japanese? why the Japan have the highest death per 100K during the last two flu seasons in first world countries?

not a doubt in my mind it's exactly like Dr. Fauci said in March that masks increase the spread of the flu.

letsshakeourheads wrote:

Lol, does Putin moderate these boards? What a cluster of misinformation.

no, but there are obvious Chinese AI bots posting on these forums.

Allen53 wrote:

https://rationalground.com/mask-charts/

+1

Also, world-renowned microbiologist & infectious disease expert Dr. Sucharit bhakdi is disgusting with masks being forced on children - equates it to CHILD ABUSE!

Let's tell it like it is wrote:

Also, world-renowned microbiologist & infectious disease expert Dr. Sucharit bhakdi is disgusting with masks being forced on children - equates it to CHILD ABUSE!

Why do you say he is world-renowned? For making YouTube videos? YouTube is not where scientists go to publish their work.

His ideas on COVID are viewed by his peers more as conspiracy (translated from German Wikipedia):

"On the German-language website of the Medical Tribune it is stated that the "overwhelming majority of the experts" view Bhakdi's theses on COVID-19 as unscientific."

"In addition, further fact checks dealt critically with Bhakdi's statements, for example at dpa , swr3 or correctiv.org . Based on the facts audits of corrective, ZDF, the world, the mirror and the Bavarian Radio summed up the Süddeutsche Zeitung: "What Wodarg and Bhakdi say is not completely wrong, but they mix facts with speculation and misinformation." "

rekrunner wrote:

[quote]Let's tell it like it is wrote:

Why do you say he is world-renowned? For making YouTube videos? YouTube is not where scientists go to publish their work.

His ideas on COVID are viewed by his peers more as conspiracy (translated from German Wikipedia):

"On the German-language website of the Medical Tribune it is stated that the "overwhelming majority of the experts" view Bhakdi's theses on COVID-19 as unscientific."

"In addition, further fact checks dealt critically with Bhakdi's statements, for example at dpa , swr3 or correctiv.org . Based on the facts audits of corrective, ZDF, the world, the mirror and the Bavarian Radio summed up the Süddeutsche Zeitung: "What Wodarg and Bhakdi say is not completely wrong, but they mix facts with speculation and misinformation."

And Fauci doesn't mix facts with speculation & misinformation? Lol.

Prof Sucharit Bhakdi, M.D.

-Microbiologist, former prof at Johannes Gutenberg, Univ of Mainz

- Former head of the Institute for -Medical Microbiology and Hygiene.

- One of the most cited research scientists in German history.

Investigative journalist Del Bigtree interviews world-renowned scientist Professor Sucharit Bhakdi, M.D. and his spouse, Dr. Karina Reiss, PhD.

Stating this is not a pandemic but a "panicdemic." "Not a killer virus" but more compared to "common cold viruses or even influenza:" Reiterates that Covid-19 for "healthy people under 70" is as dangerous as a "seasonal, moderate influenza virus" - warns against gene-alterating coronavirus vaccines.

More with Prof Sucharit on Covid-19 vaccines:

Prof Bhakdi has a YouTube channel with over a dozen videos including some lectures & presentations. He's also been interviewed several times on mainstream German television.

Fauci gives the recommendation of science, while also making clear that science is still learning about COVID-19.

What is clear is that Bhakdi's views on Covid-19 are not passing peer review.

Citing "Del Bigtree" doesn't help your case.