Maskers: why didn't you wear a mask before COVID? Did infectious disease not exist prior to 2020?

zxczxcv wrote:

205,000 deaths mean nothing to you, apparently. This thing isn't half over. You could very easily help to stamp this out but you choose to try to spread resistance to a trivial gesture, wearing a mask, so that hundreds of thousands more will die in this country. The death total now far exceeds any one-year epidemic in the U.S. since the Spanish Flu one hundred years ago. It is within a month of the highest kill rate for any epidemic in the U.S. since the Spanish Flu. Yet, you imply that it is just like any typical year.

It is not half over; it is almost completely over; people are not getting sick at the same rate anymore. Cases mean nothing.

streak wrote:

Hahaha, "the difference is we were told to do it"..the epitome of people who can't think for themselves. They literally see 'following directions' (orders) as being virtuous, when that's an incredibly weak minded mindset.

You must be a wizard. An expert in every field. A brilliant mind that has taken the time to study and research every topic for yourself. A genius. You must be able to solve any problem by yourself.

A rock star. A savant. A god. You question everything and have all the answers

Your easy run pace must be under 2:40/km and you do 100m strides under 11 seconds as you have mastered everything about running.

Please, great one, share your infinite wisdom with the world by telling us the meaning of life!

veero wrote:

A lot of people were wearing masks prior to covid19 in Japan and China, especially during flu season. This was without any government orders or mandates.

Great for them. They can feel free to continue wearing masks when they chose after this and I will not because I'd rather protect myself with healthy lifestyle than by wearing something incredibly uncomfortable.

The real reason is because Trump is president. Less than 25% pushing for constraints on the virus at this point in the US are really that afraid of the health impacts. See Pelosi at the Salon when she thinks no one is watching. People are for whatever reason so pissed about Trump that they are willing to do whatever is necessary to destroy him including crashing our country.

Funny. Ha. Ha.

I've read the warnings, etc.

On Hdq C2 quat cleaner.

There's no airborne toxicity of it.

As far as I know, it's not teratogenic nor due to cause any long term harm.

what has changed? wrote:

veero wrote:

A lot of people were wearing masks prior to covid19 in Japan and China, especially during flu season. This was without any government orders or mandates.

Sure, but my question is directed at Americans who did NOT wear masks previously and have now suddenly become judgey about others' mask wearing after they themselves spent decades spreading disease mask-free.

There's a new very contagious virus spreading around that kills more people than the flu? It was suggested by the health authorities as the easiest way to slow the spread? Makes reasonable sense? Why not?

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

veero wrote:

A lot of people were wearing masks prior to covid19 in Japan and China, especially during flu season. This was without any government orders or mandates.

Great for them. They can feel free to continue wearing masks when they chose after this and I will not because I'd rather protect myself with healthy lifestyle than by wearing something incredibly uncomfortable.

The real reason is because Trump is president. Less than 25% pushing for constraints on the virus at this point in the US are really that afraid of the health impacts. See Pelosi at the Salon when she thinks no one is watching. People are for whatever reason so pissed about Trump that they are willing to do whatever is necessary to destroy him including crashing our country.

How does mask wearing crash the country? If anything, it allows us to keep things open. I would rather wear a mask in certain situations and keep businesses open than not wear a mask and force them to shut down.

And the idea that mask wearing mandates are solely because of Trump is nonsense. In many cases the decisions are made by businesses. Do you really believe the mask requirements on planes are the CEOs deciding they want to hurt Trump?

And of course you know that the goal of wearing masks is not to protect you but to protect those that are not as healthy as you.

But have things actually stayed open thanks to the mask mandates. Here in California where I am we seem pretty closed up and everyone where's masks. I'm not implying masks crash the economy. It's the overall shutdowns and hysteria that do. But the argument that masks help you keep business open is false because places that dont have mask mandates have kept business open more than those the require masks and maintained the most normal life.

Businesses who require masks has nothing to do with public health and everything to do with PR and money. If I'm CEO of America airlines the last thing I want is the mob screaming about how people aren't save from COVID on my planes and booking with other airlines accordingly.

He does have a point. Prior to this year, whenever I saw an Asian person wearing a mask in public places, I was judgemental about them. I guess they were judgemental about me.

This past February (one week or two after the Diamond Princess situation), a local convenience store owner started putting a transparent plastic sheet in front of her cash and was wearing a mask. She also stopped accepting money. I initially thought it was funny.

Now obviously, it’s the new normal.

Again, from her perspective, we were all idiots.

She was not vocal about it however. She would not scream at us for not wearing masks. Maybe she should have since in retrospect, February/March was the peak infection period.

I assume that at least 10% of the population will wear masks forever. That’s what we see in Asia.

Yes, it's a world wide conspiracy to hurt Trump. Even Sweden is in on it as with its success the hope is that we will become more of a socialist country.

what has changed? wrote:

Help me understand this. If I am putting lives at risk by not wearing a mask in 2020, weren't you putting lives at risk by not wearing a mask in 2019 or 2018? Don't you think that you have probably transmitted an illness at some point that was eventually passed along to someone who died of the disease, and that a mask could have prevented this from happening? Why haven't you done everything in your power to prevent this?

Because most cold & flu's show symptoms very early and are mostly contagious for that tight window. Let me ask you....when someone has a cold/flu, do you hang out closely with them? Shake hands? No. Usually that person will tell you they're sick and you'll keep some distance.

This virus is so easily passed before the carrier shows symptoms (I'd they do at all), so neither party can protect themselves like they would a normal disease.

It's common sense that most 10 year olds understand

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

But have things actually stayed open thanks to the mask mandates. Here in California where I am we seem pretty closed up and everyone where's masks. I'm not implying masks crash the economy. It's the overall shutdowns and hysteria that do. But the argument that masks help you keep business open is false because places that dont have mask mandates have kept business open more than those the require masks and maintained the most normal life.

Businesses who require masks has nothing to do with public health and everything to do with PR and money. If I'm CEO of America airlines the last thing I want is the mob screaming about how people aren't save from COVID on my planes and booking with other airlines accordingly.

So we are actually in agreement. The airlines decision to require masks was a business decision and not designed specifically to hurt Trump as you seemed to imply in your initial post. But I'm in CA also (Bay Area) and I can't think of any businesses that don't require masks inside.

When Asians started wearing masks in response to SARS there was good reason for people to be concerned. SARS did not spread as easily but with a 10% fatality rate it was quite deadly. And after MERS and a few other viruses people were accustomed to wearing masks and take other precautionary measures. As a result they had much lower death rates and were able to keep from shutting down the economy.

The problem is that now mask wearing has become so politicized (on both sides) that we can't have reasonable discussions about when and where they are appropriate. I don't see masks going away anytime soon on planes. And I think that even if they are ever lifted many will continued to wear them.

Jzs wrote:

Chief Science Officer for Pfizer Says "Second Wave" Faked on False-Positive COVID Tests, "Pandemic is Over"

The CDC's death statistics disagree.

You pro-maskers:

Show me solid proof that a mask has saved just one life.

You can’t.

You didn’t even bother to read my article I linked...You’ve little grasp of the facts.

Yeah that makes me upset. If someone comes up to you and says something along the lines of “don’t come too close, I’m sick!” I want nothing to do with them. I haven’t gotten sick one but I. The past 3 years. If you’re sick with anything stay tf home!!!!

This time, the CDC and general medical community were all saying that we could greatly mitigate the spread of the disease, and the number of people who die from it.

You know those quotes that say something like "Smart people know that they don't know"? This is what really made me understand what those quotes are talking about.

A smart person would say "Hm, the CDC is saying that I should wear a mask, and I probably don't know more than the entire CDC, whose job it is to know these things, and they have been studying these types of things for years, if not decades, so I think I should wear a mask."

So yeah, I wear a mask now because the CDC and medical community at large agree that it helps. If the CDC says "Hey guys, nevermind, the masks don't work at all oops" then I'd stop wearing them. Till that happens, I'll trust the people who went to college for a decade and have spent their entire careers studying contagious diseases to know more than me.

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streak wrote:

Hahaha, "the difference is we were told to do it"..the epitome of people who can't think for themselves. They literally see 'following directions' (orders) as being virtuous, when that's an incredibly weak minded mindset.

You must be a wizard. An expert in every field. A brilliant mind that has taken the time to study and research every topic for yourself. A genius. You must be able to solve any problem by yourself.

A rock star. A savant. A god. You question everything and have all the answers

Your easy run pace must be under 2:40/km and you do 100m strides under 11 seconds as you have mastered everything about running.

Please, great one, share your infinite wisdom with the world by telling us the meaning of life!

I understand this is apparently mind blowing to you, but some people are capable of thinking logically for themselves and making decisions that are not informed solely by an authority figure telling them what to do. I'm very sad for you that the idea of such a thing seems impossible. If it's any comfort, you're not alone in being so trusting and so helpless.

Because science didn’t support wearing masks for prior diseases, but for Covid-19 the science does support wearing a mask. Not all diseases are the same, and Covid-19 is clearly unlike anything else.