Which athletes do you believe are clean?

I too chuckled at the notion that Lagat and Farah were clean.

Painfully Obvious wrote:

The losers are clean.

If you ain’t doping you ain’t winning.

Your premise only entails that the winners are dirty, not that the losers are clean.

1) Lagat was dirty, it was just covered up..

https://www.worldathletics.org/news/news/analysis-of-bernard-lagat-b-sample-returns-ne

2) You cant call Farah and Bekele dirty but not Eliud. Im sorry, 'i dont see how they could have such long careers and get away with it' yeah well thats state sponsored doping for you.

3) Also Lomong/Farah/Bekele had a long career.. they're dirty and Eliud isnt? Sorry dude.

They reached 'too big to fail status' and became protected, simple as.

To be clear, I'd love for some of these names to be clean. I'd love for Rudisha to be clean, I'd love for Mo Ahmed to be clean (and I hope/presume he is) but some of these names...

Also I suspect the Ingebrigtsens are technically clean but may be taking something legal in dodgy doses, or something we're not aware of yet #SalazarVibes

It is impossible to know who is clean, who is dirty and who is gaming the rules with TUEs etc. I think that most peoples opinion is just based on whether they like the athlete or not. If they are liked they get the benefit of the doubt. If they are not liked they are condemned based on the most circumspect evidence. Case in point: The following athlete is almost universally considered clean yet his autobiography would be absolute proof of guilt were he not so popular.

+2......Spot On!

Don't forget that Lagat tested positive for EPO (1 of 2 samples) in the early 2000s. I'm not sure how the first was dirty and the second was clean, nonetheless, he did test positive.

Mr. Mo.......Hmmmmmm????

3:28 for 1500m

2:05 for the marathon

There's too much range with these PR's to be clean.....Sorry Mo!

Angel Eyes wrote:

+2......Spot On!

Don't forget that Lagat tested positive for EPO (1 of 2 samples) in the early 2000s. I'm not sure how the first was dirty and the second was clean, nonetheless, he did test positive.

Mr. Mo.......Hmmmmmm????

3:28 for 1500m

2:05 for the marathon

There's too much range with these PR's to be clean.....Sorry Mo!

If he was ACTUALLY dirty and truly tested positive then he would have been banned smh. How do you guys not understand. Just use google to see how it was messed up lol

westsouthrunner wrote:

Angel Eyes wrote:

+2......Spot On!

Don't forget that Lagat tested positive for EPO (1 of 2 samples) in the early 2000s. I'm not sure how the first was dirty and the second was clean, nonetheless, he did test positive.

Mr. Mo.......Hmmmmmm????

3:28 for 1500m

2:05 for the marathon

There's too much range with these PR's to be clean.....Sorry Mo!

If he was ACTUALLY dirty and truly tested positive then he would have been banned smh. How do you guys not understand. Just use google to see how it was messed up lol

Have you ever heard of "Micro-Dosing"? Maybe you should google that and educate yourself. Clearly there was not a substantial amount of EPO is Lagat's system that showed positive for both samples. Technically you're correct in that he wasn't 100% positive for "Both" samples, but he did trigger a positive result and that doesn't just happen when you're 100% clean. EPO was a very popular PED in the late 1990s and early 2000s and athletes competing in the middle distances didn't really know much about it and believed it wasn't "Really" cheating. I believe Lagat got caught during this "Micro-Dosing" phase and then was very careful afterward. He's a super talented runner without EPO, maybe 3:30 but not 3:26.

Larry Bird

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Pajac wrote:

Me.

How can you be sure, though? I trained a bunch once and then had a pretty big drop in my times. I was suspicious of myself.

What you got against Lebid?

Lawrence the Cable Guy wrote:

trollism wrote:

Loving these.

Lagat and Farah clean. Comedy gold.

Strange that you left out Geb and Komen. I tend to think Geb was clean. Komen is hard to say; might have just been a freak talent or might have been really good + EPO doped.

Coe - Dirty

Ovett - Dirty

Cram - Dirty

Geb - Clean

Ramzi - Clean

Big Mac - Clean

Kiprop - Clean

Morceli - Clean

Lagat - Clean

El G - Clean

Mo Farah - Dirty

Rudisha - Clean

JIm Ryun - Dirty

Roger Bannister - Dirty

Wightman - Dirty

Bett - Clean

Langford - Dirty

Anyone that thinks Jacob Ingebrigtsen is clean needs to go read up on the Norwegian Winter Olympic team's usage of asthma inhalers...TUIs and microdosing at its finest.

This is a really, really ignorant and wishful post. They are all dirty.

I am surprised nobody picked up on this. The athlete is Steve Ovett. Ovett an Autobiography: Collins Willow (London) 1984. 1st Edition. Page 181 See pages 180 to 183 for similar comments.

Raddison wrote:

I am surprised nobody picked up on this. The athlete is Steve Ovett.

Ovett an Autobiography: Collins Willow (London) 1984. 1st Edition. Page 181

See pages 180 to 183 for similar comments.

Raddison wrote:

It is impossible to know who is clean, who is dirty and who is gaming the rules with TUEs etc. I think that most peoples opinion is just based on whether they like the athlete or not. If they are liked they get the benefit of the doubt. If they are not liked they are condemned based on the most circumspect evidence.

Case in point: The following athlete is almost universally considered clean yet his autobiography would be absolute proof of guilt were he not so popular.

I don't see that as proof of guit in any way. The fact is that drugs are banned and those who use them are cheating.

You can be strongly anti-cheating in sport while being open-minded about the use of drugs being legalised. Maybe the following might help you understand Ovett's mentality

In the mid-1980s Steve Ovett caused a storm when he refused to sign a petition circulated by British athletes condemning doping. Ovett said he had seen some of the names on the list, knew what was going on and did not wish to be associated with them.

One of the names on it was Linford Christie, who at the time paraded in a T-shirt bearing the legend 'Drug free'. He demanded prison sentences for anyone who failed a test. I wonder what his views on that are now, after he recently completed a two-year ban for nandrolene?

Covette:

You completely missed the point of my post: I have no opinion as to whether Ovett is guilty or innocent. My point is most peoples' opinion is just based on whether they like the athlete or not. If they are liked they get the benefit of the doubt. If they are not liked they are condemned based on the most circumspect evidence. To be honest, you are the poster child for that mindset.

How would you react if that passage came from Eluid Kipchoge' autobiography? Or Nick Willis's? Or Tim Cheruiyot's?

You can perform all the mental gymnastics you want but ultimately it's verdict first then find evidence that fits the assumption.

Elite and professional sport today are not like anything that most of us experience. It is their whole lives to those athletes. They are driven to succeed and their livelihoods, their standard of living, their social status and even their sense of self will depend on their success. Allied with their extreme and heightened competitive disposition to win is a preparedness to avail themselves of whatever it takes to do so. In their own world they are as dedicated, as focused and as ambitious as any Wall Street executive. Their sport is not recreation or even fun - there is too much hard work, sacrifice and pain - especially from injury - for it to be that. They also know that it is a relatively brief window of their lives; for most, their careers will be over by their thirties, and certainly by forty. They have but one shot.

If there is something they can take that will increase their chances of success, that will enable them to compete at a higher level and for longer, will they take it? Especially if they recognize that they are competing against other athletes who see it as a necessary part of being a professional.

The days of the amateur have long gone. As the grainy black and white footage of the past shows, their Olympic and championship glories look like the enthusiasm of school boys - and most competitors were not much older. There weren't then the Titanic "evergreens" of today, who defy every natural process of aging. It isn't merely improved nutrition and training methods that have created these superhumans; they have built not just their bodies but their achievements on the very best that modern science and medicine has to offer - even if those methods sometimes contravene the archaic rules that were formulated in the long distant past of amateur sport. There is now only one rule: don't get caught. Done expertly, the chances of being caught are slim.

The cost of not doing it is everything; the difference between winning and losing - and losing is as unacceptable to the professional athlete as it is to the Wall Street executive.

Well, certainly Allie Ostrander is not spotlessly clean! Did you see the state of her when she finished that mountain race in Alaska? Absolutely filthy!