Which athletes do you believe are clean?

Joshua Cheptegei - Clean

Me.

dirty, all of them with like 2 exceptions. even the 'clean' ones are taking medications they will suddenly no longer need once they quit running competitively

4 real 2 u wrote:

dirty, all of them with like 2 exceptions. even the 'clean' ones are taking medications they will suddenly no longer need once they quit running competitively

I refuse to believe this. Not that I’m saying it isn’t true, but I don’t want it to be true and I don’t believe it has to be true.

When someone like Kipchoge is one of the best in the world for nearly 20 years, am I the only one that thinks he’s just that good?? Maybe he’s just better and doesn’t need to dope? How is he not getting caught?(everyone knows where he lives / trains)

Coe - dirty

Ovett - clean

Morcelli - dirty

Lagat - clean

Tergat - dirty

El Guerrouj - dirty

Bekele - clean

Mo Farah - clean

Serhiy lebid - dirty

Kiprop - dirty

Jacob Ingerbritsen- dirty

Lopez lomong - idk

Rudisha- clean

Eluid Kipchoge - clean

jager - dirty

Mo Ahmed - dirty

Bob Kennedy - dirty

Schweizzer- dirty

Houlihan- dirty

Loving these.

Lagat and Farah clean. Comedy gold.

Timetocomeback wrote:

4 real 2 u wrote:

dirty, all of them with like 2 exceptions. even the 'clean' ones are taking medications they will suddenly no longer need once they quit running competitively

I refuse to believe this. Not that I’m saying it isn’t true, but I don’t want it to be true and I don’t believe it has to be true.

When someone like Kipchoge is one of the best in the world for nearly 20 years, am I the only one that thinks he’s just that good?? Maybe he’s just better and doesn’t need to dope? How is he not getting caught?(everyone knows where he lives / trains)

While I appreciate this perspective, I think it's more logical to think "if there are dopers out there, how is it possible that someone (or multiple athletes) can be clean and better than all the dopers?" I don't believe any of these listed are clean ("clean" being no medications whatsoever).

browski wrote:

Timetocomeback wrote:

I refuse to believe this. Not that I’m saying it isn’t true, but I don’t want it to be true and I don’t believe it has to be true.

When someone like Kipchoge is one of the best in the world for nearly 20 years, am I the only one that thinks he’s just that good?? Maybe he’s just better and doesn’t need to dope? How is he not getting caught?(everyone knows where he lives / trains)

While I appreciate this perspective, I think it's more logical to think "if there are dopers out there, how is it possible that someone (or multiple athletes) can be clean and better than all the dopers?" I don't believe any of these listed are clean ("clean" being no medications whatsoever).

I agree it is more logical to think that way. It’s difficult really, but it probably makes more sense to think “if X was doping and Y beat them they are most likely doping too”. I don’t know, I do believe there are super talents out there who can achieve huge levels of success without doping.

a lot more people are going to be clean than I think people on this forum will say

this forum will discredit anyone who runs well as "oh I cant possibly run that fast so they must be dirty"

come on people. You just aren't a world class athlete. I know some guys who are 13:45 for 5k and they are by no means some insane athlete and they are definitely clean. I can 100% believe guys who are 13 flat for the 5k when they have real talent

Mere speculation. You have no proof so why throw out your opinions. Your opinion is based on what? We all have our thoughts but it is not backed by any proof so keep it to yourself

Kilian Jornet - CLEAN. Possibly the most tested athlete in endurance sports.

What exactly do you classify as medications? Are you thinking purely like EPO, roids, etc. Do you mean thyroid meds, certain corticoinhalers, plus the first class, etc. Or do you include things like Meyers cocktails, Carnitine, vitamin injections, etc.?

This is my favorite kind of thread on LRC. Just beautiful to see.

The losers are clean.

If you ain’t doping you ain’t winning.

eliud is so dirty are you kidding me?

NSRL backed doping research + kenya. Better than every other doper out there? yeah, ha, because he is one.

The better question is what is the plus/minus on the total number of athletes on that list that are clean. It's probably 1 or .5. Maybe I'm just naive for wanting to believe Tergat is clean because he seems like such a good guy.

browski wrote:

Timetocomeback wrote:

I refuse to believe this. Not that I’m saying it isn’t true, but I don’t want it to be true and I don’t believe it has to be true.

When someone like Kipchoge is one of the best in the world for nearly 20 years, am I the only one that thinks he’s just that good?? Maybe he’s just better and doesn’t need to dope? How is he not getting caught?(everyone knows where he lives / trains)

While I appreciate this perspective, I think it's more logical to think "if there are dopers out there, how is it possible that someone (or multiple athletes) can be clean and better than all the dopers?" I don't believe any of these listed are clean ("clean" being no medications whatsoever).

Well, for example, we know there are many athletes who have used EPO and there are likely many athletes now who are using EPO.

Yet the times of Herb Elliott, Peter Snell, Ryun, Ovett, Coe, Cram.are comparable to even the likes of El G when you consider tracks, shoes, pacing, training knowledge etc etc. There was not even blood doping in Elliott and Snell's day.

The fact is, dealing strictly with observed reality - confirmed busts, there is a hugely greater doping problem in East Africa than elsewhere. So if Jakob - for example - is clean, the simple explanation is that East Africans aren't quite so super talented as is assumed by many here. That's why he can beat or compete with them clean.

I think Farah is clean. Was a 13:07 guy before NOP and dropped 14 seconds over 3 years or so.

People think his 1500 pb is evidence of doping. If anything it just backs up how much speed he has to close over 5-10k.

The best 5k/10k runners with fast 1500s were Farah, Lagat, Ndiku, and Kiplagat. Maybe I’m missing one or two but I really don’t think it’s impossible.

And the whole ProPublica thing didn’t really find anything against him after years of investigation.

Sure NOP did some weird stuff, but it was never found to actually be illegal enough to ban athletes.

Strange that you left out Geb and Komen. I tend to think Geb was clean. Komen is hard to say; might have just been a freak talent or might have been really good + EPO doped.