Jess Hull - 8.41 3km in terrible condition

reed wrote:

NJ fan wrote:

What's interesting to me is that she looks normal. Hull looks 15-20 pounds heavier than Schwietzer and Houlihan. The BTC women all look unnaturally skinny. I think the BTC women are taking some sort of thyroid drug to keep their weight down.

we gotta stop with these sorts of comments on letsrun.

why are we judging their athletic ability based on their relative weights and builds? it's been proven time and time again to not matter.

remember when Alberto said Simpson had the biggest/fattest butt on the startline at USAs? and then she won the race.

if you want this site to be taken more seriously by athletes, stop making these pointless comments.

You are a hypocrite. You and others were so happy to call Salazar a drug cheat because he had a Dr. prescribe his runners thyroid drugs that medically they didn't need. But you were silent about other coaches and runners that were KNOWN to use those same drugs in the same way (many even used the same doctor).

I am not criticizing anyone about their weight or their body type. What I'm saying is the discussion that Salazar haters started about Thyroid drugs is worth having and should be applied to people in other groups too.

Hull seems to be doing it the right way, kudos to her.

Once a Duck, always a Duck. Rain doesnt bother her...

No. It is proven that it absolutely matters. If Hull gains 25 pounds, she would lose 1 minute in her 3k. Do you think NFL linemen could run 14 minutes in a 5k? Purrier looks 15 pounds lighter than in college and her times are reflecting that.

skinny and fast wrote:

No. It is proven that it absolutely matters. If Hull gains 25 pounds, she would lose 1 minute in her 3k. Do you think NFL linemen could run 14 minutes in a 5k? Purrier looks 15 pounds lighter than in college and her times are reflecting that.

I hope you've never coached or become a coach with that logic. I mean seriously, 25 pounds = 1 min in a 3k?

Purrier could very well be improving due to age, more recourses, and increased mileage (which could subsequently be causing her to lose weight). Mater-a-fact every post-collegiate runners usually make improvements due to this. It's amazing how there's so many factors for why runners could be improving, but discussions always have to include weight and PED''s.

So coaches should encourage athletes to gain weight? I am not following at all. I have coahed teams to 4 state titles if you would like to know. You think Hull could run faster than 9:40 if she goes from 115 pounds to 140 pounds? That's like a 150 pound guy like Engels gaining 35 poubds and racing at 190. Maybe Ryan Hall can run 27:30 for 10k at his new weight. Cain is probably only 10-15 pounds above her previous race weight.

friendojamin wrote:

That is a pretty serious allegation. Any proof?

You must be new here. Everyone is guilty until proven innocent.

shootpost wrote:

Since when is rain "terrible conditions"?

+1

A lot of water in lane one, so wet shoes, offset by two male pacers until the last lap.

Hardly. Firstly, Hull has no mark yet that is even close in excellence to 14:26 (or 8:25). She is basically still at the level where Schweizer was before Doha (she ran 8:42 in good conditions at Pre 2019). 8:41 in bad conditions is not as good as 4:02 and 15:00 of last year. Secondly, Hull apparently focussed more strongly on the 1500m and got to 4:02 (at Pre) even before joining NOP, so one can forget pretty much her older 3000/5000m marks. 15:00 is not extraordinary for a 4:02 runner adding mileage and going seriously for a 5k best in a paced race. Their 1500m development looks almost the same, the improvement being about 18 secs. within 4-5 years. If Hull beats Koko in a fast 3k or 5k, I'll get more suspicious than with Schweizer.

Hull

2019 4:01.80 Khalifa International Stadium, Doha (QAT) 03 OCT 2019

2018 4:08.75 Eugene, OR (USA) 09 JUN 2018

2017 4:13.48 Eugene, OR (USA) 05 MAY 2017

2015 4:20.49 Sydney (AUS) 28 FEB 2015

2014 4:20.66 Sydney (AUS) 08 FEB 2014

Schweizer

2020 4:00.02 Portland, OR (USA) 21 JUL 2020

2019 4:08.51 Los Angeles, CA (USA) 16 MAY 2019

2018 4:06.77 Kortrijk (BEL) 14 JUL 2018

2017 4:15.77 Tuscaloosa, AL (USA) 08 APR 2017

2016 4:17.46 Fayetteville, AR (USA) 23 APR 2016

2015 4:26.34 Columbia, MO (USA) 01 MAY 2015

2014 4:34.83 Des Moines, IA (USA) 26 APR 2014

Schweizer is clean. She gets dragged into almost every thread. Does anyone realize that her younger brother ran 49-1:50-4:05 in high school and also was state champ in XC? Sounds like superior genes.

What are the "terrible conditions" here?

It looks like light rain, with no wind.

people r boring wrote:

What are the "terrible conditions" here?

It looks like light rain, with no wind.

You obviously haven't read the thread title properly - it's Hull that's in terrible condition!

skinny and fast wrote:

So coaches should encourage athletes to gain weight? I am not following at all. I have coahed teams to 4 state titles if you would like to know. You think Hull could run faster than 9:40 if she goes from 115 pounds to 140 pounds? That's like a 150 pound guy like Engels gaining 35 poubds and racing at 190. Maybe Ryan Hall can run 27:30 for 10k at his new weight. Cain is probably only 10-15 pounds above her previous race weight.

When did I ever imply athletes should gain weight? I'm responded to your comments implying Purrier only got faster cause she lost weight. I'm talking about OTHER factors contributing to faster times, but here you go again, making everything about weight.

I mean, it's a no brainer these athletes have an optimal race weight. When talking about race weight you're in a sensitive zone where losing 5 pounds won't make a huge difference in time, but could make a huge difference concerning injury. You know nothing about what's optimal for Hull, Purrier, Engels, Hall, or Cain.

For all we know runners could have been racing 10 pounds over optimal race weight all throughout college and they've now lost it. Credit to them for being so successful 10 pounds over race weight. But apparently 10 pounds less means their subjectively anorexic from people only see these athletes for 4 minutes at a time several times a year over a computer screen.

skinny and fast wrote:

So coaches should encourage athletes to gain weight? I am not following at all. I have coahed teams to 4 state titles if you would like to know. You think Hull could run faster than 9:40 if she goes from 115 pounds to 140 pounds? That's like a 150 pound guy like Engels gaining 35 poubds and racing at 190. Maybe Ryan Hall can run 27:30 for 10k at his new weight. Cain is probably only 10-15 pounds above her previous race weight.

There's an ideal weight for each athlete to achieve their best performances and it's not simply the lightest weight they can get to.

And what happens if that athlete gains 20 pounds with all else being equal? I say that they add at least 1 minute to their 5k.

skinny and fast wrote:

And what happens if that athlete gains 20 pounds with all else being equal? I say that they add at least 1 minute to their 5k.

Sounds reasonable.

skinny and fast wrote:

And what happens if that athlete gains 20 pounds with all else being equal? I say that they add at least 1 minute to their 5k.

And if they lose 20lb from that weight with all else being equal, I say they add more than that to their 5K if they can run it at all.

A female runner would be unable to lose 20 pounds from ideal weight.

This is what a world class runner looks like.

Hasan 5'7" 108

Koko 5'9" 106

Most women are not as fast because they are not at ideal weight.

dr no wrote:

I remember her at a NCAA cross meet . She had a big booty !

Hull is very accomplished runner . Before Oregon she did the junior thing and had some nice results . I love the fact she is a great racer and her PR’s now are super fast

+1

skinny and fast wrote:

A female runner would be unable to lose 20 pounds from ideal weight.

This is what a world class runner looks like.

Hasan 5'7" 108

Koko 5'9" 106

Most women are not as fast because they are not at ideal weight.

You are picking too people at the off the charts lightness end. That is largely a function of frame size and not how fat/lean they are. You will find a ton more woman in the 5'4-5'6 range who weight between 110-120lbs. Granted I put about ZERO faith in any of the heights and weights being reported being accurate.