Official 2015 Monaco Diamond League Discussion Thread

Looks like awful pacing in the women's steeple...

3:00 for 1000 and 6:11 for 2000?

kjgkuyg wrote:

YEAH BUDDY wrote:

Nothing like a 390m track to make for a good meet!

Prove it.

Ever heard of "burden of proof?" I don't have to prove the track is 390m, you have to prove it isn't!

Notverysmartareyou? wrote:

Oin wrote:

Only idiots think they can know good and efficient form just by sight.

You´re the idiot here. If someone runs like they have rubber boots on their feet you can clearly tell it´s not an efficient way to run a race, but I guess you will say that you can´t tell if Geb´s or Kipketers form was efficient either. Jeez, some people are really retarded.

Like Radcliff's beautiful, efficient form, right?

I will agree that you are retarded.

9:23.91 for Coburn

Habiba Ghribi is doped to the gills...

I don't know if Dibaba is clean.

BUT there is no fair way to compare this performance with the Chinese "records." All of those times were posted in two Chinese-only meets with athletes running multiple events and multiple heats of those events. There are still five marks from the PRELIMINARY HEATS of the '93 and '97 Chinese National Games that are faster than Rowbury's new American record. If you ever believed that any of those marks were legitimate in any way, I don't know what to tell you.

Oh come on wrote:

We all know the Chinese times were completely fraudulent. Let's not pretend this new time by Dibaba holds any legitimacy. WADA should be all over this woman.

Oh really wrote:

Really, why did none of them test positive then?

The drug believers / accusers are not interested in the truth.

Notverysmartareyou? wrote:

Oin wrote:

Only idiots think they can know good and efficient form just by sight.

You´re the idiot here. If someone runs like they have rubber boots on their feet you can clearly tell it´s not an efficient way to run a race, but I guess you will say that you can´t tell if Geb´s or Kipketers form was efficient either. Jeez, some people are really retarded.

The Chinese women didn't run like they had rubber boots on their feet. They are shaped differently and so they run differently.

No, you can't tell if Geb's or Kipketer's form was efficient either. The more you talk, the dumber you let us all know you are. There is much more going on in a runners body that is completely invisible to the human eye. Do you agree or do you think you have some kind of xray vision?

You need lab equipment to really tell. I believe there is a story on here somewhere about how Daniels or some scientist had lab tests done to see which runners were the most efficient. Then he asked a variety of experts to guess who was the most efficient just based on sight. The experts couldn't do it.

Conclusion: you don't know what you are talking about. You can't tell good form by sight alone.

Wow. A whole lot of dopers at this meet.

And the Women's 1500m American Record goes FROM a doper coached by Alberto Salazar TO a doper coached by Alberto Salazar, several decades apart. Bravo, Bertie.

The burden of proof is on you to prove it is something other than 400m considering that is the standard and what is expected

YEAH BUDDY wrote:

kjgkuyg wrote:

Prove it.

Ever heard of "burden of proof?" I don't have to prove the track is 390m, you have to prove it isn't!

Monaco put on a clinic for how to run a track meet. Events five minutes apart in a short window of time. They probably sold just as many tickets as any other big meet and held half the events. They saved money and time by not holding a trillion extra events and captivated their audience for just the brief and necessary time.

This meet was obviously good because of top talent and record attempts/front running.

But is it possible that by not having the 5k and 10k contested it made it easier to enjoy the meet? We never had to watch for 12 or 26 minutes just to who would win. None of the boredom. Did they ever cut away to other events during a "distance" race in any telecasts? I love this format. It raises questions about the 5k and 10k, though.

113 wrote:

I don't know if Dibaba is clean.

BUT there is no fair way to compare this performance with the Chinese "records." All of those times were posted in two Chinese-only meets with athletes running multiple events and multiple heats of those events. There are still five marks from the PRELIMINARY HEATS of the '93 and '97 Chinese National Games that are faster than Rowbury's new American record. If you ever believed that any of those marks were legitimate in any way, I don't know what to tell you.

Good point!!!

Even if Dibaba is dirty, it is better for her to hold the record, than have it stay with the Chinese.

v6 wrote:

And the Women's 1500m American Record goes FROM a doper coached by Alberto Salazar TO a doper coached by Alberto Salazar, several decades apart. Bravo, Bertie.

Ha!! Sore loser!!

... and people wonder why Track and Field isn't more popular.

Any time someone sets a record, our most vocal fans claim it must be drugs. When you eat your young, why would you expect the sport to grow or anyone else to invest their time watching it.

I am not in favor of legalizing drug use in sports, but I also think starting from an assumption of guilt ain't the right way to go either.

Speeding is a crime, but I think we would all cry fowl if you were pulled over and written a ticket by a cop that just said he thought you were speeding. Laws vary throughout the world, but I prefer those that require evidence of a violation.

To those that think a record is the necessary evidence to conclude an athlete is doping, I don't know what to say.

v6 wrote:

And the Women's 1500m American Record goes FROM a doper coached by Alberto Salazar TO a doper coached by Alberto Salazar, several decades apart. Bravo, Bertie.

Decker was coached by Dick Brown when she ran the 1,500m AR in 1983.

black screen? BLACK SCREEN?

ECRAN NOIR???/

started at the same line as last year:

https://youtu.be/qc2GSBUZEMk?t=1m58s

Is Jordan Hasay a doper? If so, why is she slower than Emily Sisson? If not, why not? Is Treniere Moser a doper? If so, why did she come in sixth at Nationals? If not, why not? Is the Japanese distance guy a doper? If so, why is he running like crap? If not, why not? Rowbury was a bronze medalist coached by John Cook. She's not chopped liver. If you're inane enough to think that everyone connected to the Nike Oregon Project is a doper, than you're committed to explaining the Luke Puskedras of the world.

v6 wrote:

And the Women's 1500m American Record goes FROM a doper coached by Alberto Salazar TO a doper coached by Alberto Salazar, several decades apart. Bravo, Bertie.