Watch this race and tell me Gebrselassie Wasn't on DRUGS

Run007xx wrote:

Winning wrote:

He was clean, that is just what happens when you run 20 kilometres a day growing up and eat a plant based diet.

There are so many things stupid and ignorant about your post, but to start with - lots of people (especially east Africans) run 20km per day, lots of people (including east Africans) eat plant based diets, and lots of people (especially east Africans) do all the other things you're surely to mention (live at altitude, run barefoot, are socioeconomically incentivised, etc.) Why aren't they all running sub 12:40, and around 26:20.

Genetic freak and having a strong mental mindset is also key. Again he is clean, you are all just haters.

Well, when you are fit, you are really fit.

But seriously,

History is showing us just how unclean this group was .

It's sad actually.

It's Egun wrote:

Well, when you are fit, you are really fit.

But seriously,

History is showing us just how unclean this group was .

It's sad actually.

Found another jealous HATER!

I like this one better. Komen ran that wheel - eh, heel sucker right off his back.

https://youtu.be/pi0GgnyG0UA

If we're haters then you're just wilfully ignorant or just plain $tupid.

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:Interestingly, we might not see a time like that "again" in our lifetime's

eh ???

how ole are you ???

about 5y ???

'cause that's how ole you have to be to not remember this :

a hugely more impressive race by whole bunch of guys, especialy considering crap pacing of a real competitive race, serving as ethiopian olypic trials, rather than a tt

they kicked off a derisory 10'19 to finish with a 12'46 for winner who ran 54+ with wide running on both last bends, worth ~ 53+ !!! finish if route-1

geb had no pressure & reached 4k in much quicker 10'14 but "only" hung on for 12'44 & coud only put in a meagre 59.69 kick, nowhere in same universe as kick of paris guys

the paris race shouda been easily 5 - 7 quicker for each of the top 6 if that had been a targeted paced tt like geb's

the top 3 or even 4 of paris put in efforts far better or at worst, equally as good as geb's 12'44

learn some even recent history...

then the commentator doesn't know his history

aouita & maree shouda both run ~ 12'55 back in '85 if they hadn't got caught up in a tactical duel & messed around with the pace after 2 or 3k

then in '92, Kiptanui was in absolute fantastic shape, running 13-flat in brussels off total jog to 3k, a completely messed up record attempt

i saw that race on satellite & unfortunately not on youtube

Moses was in shape of his life in '92 even though he ran 12'54 years later but he wasn't in as good a shape as in '92

in brussels, he was capable of 12'50 - 12'52.5 if he'd had decent pacing to 3k

it was one of the most disappointing runs i have ever seen from pacing point of view as he was in shape to absolutely annihilate the 5k wr

this vid below shows how good he was in '92 & that he was in that kinda 5k shape above, ascertained from earlier 3k in koln where he destroyed baumann who had won 5k gold in Moses's illness/injury enforced absence in barcelona

eh ???

if wr shouda been 12'55 in '85 & 12'50 in '92, then it dropping to 12'44 in '95 is no great indicator of any doping, just some "tightening up" of record

current iaaf tables only have 12'44 worth a 1'42-flat & 3'28-mid & 7'25+

those 800 - 3k figures are nothing special at all when you consider what the current records for those are...

Run007xx wrote:

Winning wrote:

He was clean, that is just what happens when you run 20 kilometres a day growing up and eat a plant based diet.

There are so many things stupid and ignorant about your post, but to start with - lots of people (especially east Africans) run 20km per day, lots of people (including east Africans) eat plant based diets, and lots of people (especially east Africans) do all the other things you're surely to mention (live at altitude, run barefoot, are socioeconomically incentivised, etc.) Why aren't they all running sub 12:40, and around 26:20.

Same reason that some people who have lived the same lifestyle as you, train the same, and eat the same diet, run faster than you, and some run slower.

Mick Rooney wrote:

That may be but the running commentator mentioned that under 13:00 was considered amazing and in 1995 under 13:00 is commonplace. It seems pretty obvious that the reason for it being commonplace was the artificial enhancements from pharmaceuticals.

I get your point- but the 4:00 mile was the same back in the day.

It was once considered impossible, then someone did it and eventually the floodgates opened.

No doubt drugs had an impact but I guess mu point is that we kind of have to give the benefit of the doubt to the system simply because someone IS clean.

Maybe that's an American justice approach? Guilty people go free so innocent people aren't convicted?

@Run007xx wrote:

Run007xx wrote:

There are so many things stupid and ignorant about your post, but to start with - lots of people (especially east Africans) run 20km per day, lots of people (including east Africans) eat plant based diets, and lots of people (especially east Africans) do all the other things you're surely to mention (live at altitude, run barefoot, are socioeconomically incentivised, etc.) Why aren't they all running sub 12:40, and around 26:20.

Same reason that some people who have lived the same lifestyle as you, train the same, and eat the same diet, run faster than you, and some run slower.

Yes, but equally, there is ZERO evidence that the points mentioned above will create an outlier athlete.

Fact is, Geb lived in the golden era of drug fuelled performances, and he - as well as probably everyone else at the time - was doing it. Not saying he's a bad person - in fact, he was one of the poorest kids who grew up in one of the poorest countries in the world and some Dutch guy shows up, offers him to travel the world in exchange for fame and fortune, and says to 'take this'. Get probably had no idea what it was... he probably literally didn't know any better!

...so - not trying to kill off anyone's childhood hero, but JE$US he was doped.

C'mon man...you're casting aspersions on him without proof. There's no doping positive or scandal involving him - why not just give him the benefit the doubt? I don't play the game that way smearing someone's name with doping without a positive, links to doping, scandals, etc. How do you know that Geb wasn't a genetic freak unlike anything we've ever seen before? ?

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

doot doot wrote:

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Was Komen in that race? I swear I saw him in one of the early frames. What the he?? was he doing before running 12:39 / 7:20 ?

To think that in one year Komen was also at this pace is just as ridiculous.

Yes he was. 19 years old. And the next year took 10 secs off his pr. So not really ridiculous at all.

Given the changes turning pro brought/bring to the lifestyle of someone from a small rural community in Kenya, improvements in their running aren't quite so crazy as you think they are.

Gebrselassie is the GOAT of EPOpian runners. Duh.

Yessiree Bob wrote:

Gebrselassie is the GOAT of EPOpian runners. Duh.

Proof? Evidence?

Not just conjecture & speculation.

Know the difference.

Otherwise, you're casting aspersions on one of the greatest runners of all time.

Can't Believe What I'm Hearing wrote:

Yessiree Bob wrote:

Gebrselassie is the GOAT of EPOpian runners. Duh.

Proof? Evidence?

Not just conjecture & speculation.

Know the difference.

Otherwise, you're casting aspersions on one of the greatest runners of all time.

Your heroes have feet of clay. Don’t be a foo’, foo’.

wtfunny wrote:

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

To think that in one year Komen was also at this pace is just as ridiculous.

Yes he was. 19 years old. And the next year took 10 secs off his pr. So not really ridiculous at all.

Given the changes turning pro brought/bring to the lifestyle of someone from a small rural community in Kenya, improvements in their running aren't quite so crazy as you think they are.

Actually, most Kenyans (especially from that era) were 2-3 years older than what they claim. Now, being picky it was 11s. More importantly he dropped from a world class 7:38 in 1995 to 7:20 in 1996. A time that no one has gotten near since. World class athletes go from 7:38 to 7:35 in seasonal gains not 7:20.

Yessiree Bob wrote:

Your heroes have feet of clay. Don’t be a foo’, foo’.

https://medium.com/the-morning-shakeout/diving-down-a-dark-rabbit-hole-882c4c413a66

Great links in this article.

Run007xx wrote:

It's not just that he broke the WR in 1995 by 11 seconds, but he did it solo and LOOK at his face at 10 laps... not even straining.

Who knows? In every WR I have watched over the last 40 years it always strikes me how smooth they look. People who can break WRs are by definition unlike normal people. Of course I also accept that does not prove he was clean.

Anyway, enjoyed rewatching the race...