• Karl Hungus
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      • Why is the "Rebel Alliance" considered the heroes of Star Wars? 10/12/2017 12:37PM
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      • What if Vader is the real hero of Star Wars instead and we are merely suckered into rooting for a bunch of domestic terrorists?
    • Mr. Obvious
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      • RE: Why is the "Rebel Alliance" considered the heroes of Star Wars? 10/12/2017 12:39PM - in reply to Karl Hungus
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      • Karl Hungus wrote:
        What if Vader is the real hero of Star Wars instead and we are merely suckered into rooting for a bunch of domestic terrorists?
        This is going to be how the entire series wraps up. They are going to reveal we've been rooting for the wrong side this entire time.

        One man's domestic terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
    • where I stand
      • RE: Why is the "Rebel Alliance" considered the heroes of Star Wars? 10/12/2017 12:42PM - in reply to Karl Hungus
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      • Karl Hungus wrote:
        What if Vader is the real hero of Star Wars instead and we are merely suckered into rooting for a bunch of domestic terrorists?
        BUT ACTUALLY! All the Empire wanted was a unified galaxy with rule. Was there much to the movies saying that the Empire were ruthless? Not from what I can recall.
    • Shoebacca
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      • RE: Why is the "Rebel Alliance" considered the heroes of Star Wars? 10/12/2017 1:27PM - in reply to Karl Hungus
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      • Vader is a tragic hero, which is to say that we won't likely see his fall from grace redeemed in any obvious way. We can at least sympathize with his demise since we watched it unfold.

        They made the Empire and Dark Side too obviously evil. Their attempts to make them more complex routinely fail when they destroy planets, enslave others, and behave with any kind of misogyny or racism.

        I do think the movies intended for us to think the Jedi Council was too pure, though. I expect this series will move us toward a more moderate appreciation for the force. The irony, of course, is that nobody seems to be able to handle both the light and the dark with any stability.
    • moist
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      • RE: Why is the "Rebel Alliance" considered the heroes of Star Wars? 10/12/2017 2:40PM - in reply to Karl Hungus
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      • Karl Hungus wrote:
        What if Vader is the real hero of Star Wars instead and we are merely suckered into rooting for a bunch of domestic terrorists?
        The Rebel Alliance has all the hotties, though.

        Come to think of it, have you ever seen a woman on the Empire's side? Add to that all the cloning and it makes you wonder....
    • john utah
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      • RE: Why is the "Rebel Alliance" considered the heroes of Star Wars? 10/12/2017 2:48PM - in reply to Karl Hungus
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      • Karl Hungus wrote:
        What if Vader is the real hero of Star Wars instead and we are merely suckered into rooting for a bunch of domestic terrorists?
        How do you know Vader is not the real hero? Maybe you're just misinterpreting the movies.
    • G. Lucas
      • RE: Why is the "Rebel Alliance" considered the heroes of Star Wars? 10/12/2017 2:56PM - in reply to moist
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      • moist wrote:
        Karl Hungus wrote:
        What if Vader is the real hero of Star Wars instead and we are merely suckered into rooting for a bunch of domestic terrorists?
        The Rebel Alliance has all the hotties, though.

        Come to think of it, have you ever seen a woman on the Empire's side? Add to that all the cloning and it makes you wonder....
        Captain Phasma, for one...
    • suit up
      • RE: Why is the "Rebel Alliance" considered the heroes of Star Wars? 10/12/2017 2:58PM - in reply to Karl Hungus
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      • Karl Hungus wrote:
        What if Vader is the real hero of Star Wars instead and we are merely suckered into rooting for a bunch of domestic terrorists?
        Finally someone who gets this series!
    • Millennium Falcon
      • RE: Why is the "Rebel Alliance" considered the heroes of Star Wars? 10/12/2017 9:00PM - in reply to suit up
      • Millennium Falcon
      • Star Wars and Star Trek are the same movie, backwards. Capt. Kirk is Han Solo, and Spock is the emperor.
    • U Voted tRump
    • Runner_Bean
      • RE: Why is the "Rebel Alliance" considered the heroes of Star Wars? 10/13/2017 12:39AM - in reply to john utah
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      • I thought it was pretty well established at this point that Anakin/Vader definitely is the hero, or at least the focus. There’s an argument for the series being about R2 though as well...

        There’s definitely more subtlety to the Dark Side/Light Side relationship that they seem to be able to address successfully in the films so far; the Light Side definitely had elements of Puritanism, and that didn’t work out so well in Cromwell’s England(!) Instead of addressing what is, essentially, a kind of religious persecution, we get Jar Jar Binks.
    • Bad Wigins
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      • RE: Why is the "Rebel Alliance" considered the heroes of Star Wars? 10/13/2017 12:52AM - in reply to Runner_Bean
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      • They're not.

        The series is not about R2, though he and 3PO are the central characters. It's about slavery, set superficially in a heroic revolution saga.

        Borrowed mostly from Asimov, robots are used to present a slaver society without the viewer noticing. Then it examines the roles of religion, government, revolution and so forth. R2 and 3PO are exact analogues of R. Giskard and R. Daneel Olivaw, respectively. R2 even has Giskard's power to tweak the minds of the living, for example at Yoda's hut on Dagobah.
    • Theyre not domestic are they
      • RE: Why is the "Rebel Alliance" considered the heroes of Star Wars? 10/13/2017 1:15AM - in reply to Karl Hungus
      • Theyre not domestic are they
      • These are wars fought over a galaxy with the rebel alliance made up of people from many planets and moons. And you're calling them 'domestic' terrorists?
    • Subway Surfers Addiction
      • RE: Why is the "Rebel Alliance" considered the heroes of Star Wars? 10/13/2017 2:00AM - in reply to Bad Wigins
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      • Bad Wigins wrote:
        They're not.

        The series is not about R2, though he and 3PO are the central characters. It's about slavery, set superficially in a heroic revolution saga.

        Borrowed mostly from Asimov, robots are used to present a slaver society without the viewer noticing. Then it examines the roles of religion, government, revolution and so forth. R2 and 3PO are exact analogues of R. Giskard and R. Daneel Olivaw, respectively. R2 even has Giskard's power to tweak the minds of the living, for example at Yoda's hut on Dagobah.
        âž¡R2D2 is a vacuum cleaner.
        âž¡C3PO is a deity in the Ewok culture. Either that or a misspelling of an endurance drug.
        âž¡Star Wars is a rip-off of ancient Rome, Alexander the Great with Samurai and Ninjas.
        âž¡Han is really Indiana Jones.
        âž¡Lucas said the lines aren't supposed to make sense.
        âž¡everybody rips-off everyone before them and Harry Potter is just plain sh1t.
    • Pappy
      • RE: Why is the "Rebel Alliance" considered the heroes of Star Wars? 10/13/2017 9:36AM - in reply to Karl Hungus
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      • Sheev Palpatine is the true hero to the galaxy. He had to make the hard decisions that eventually saved the galaxy fromm the Outsiders. Vader was just a tragedy too damage to be of much use. The rebel alliance was just a pawn in Palpatine's game.
    • TheTruthBomb
      • RE: Why is the "Rebel Alliance" considered the heroes of Star Wars? 10/13/2017 10:26AM - in reply to Karl Hungus
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      • You do realize that that the Empire was partially based on Nazi Germany...right?
    • Karl Hungus
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      • RE: Why is the "Rebel Alliance" considered the heroes of Star Wars? 10/13/2017 11:11AM - in reply to TheTruthBomb
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      • Theyre not domestic are they wrote:
        These are wars fought over a galaxy with the rebel alliance made up of people from many planets and moons. And you're calling them 'domestic' terrorists?
        This occurs within the context of an empire, so it's domestic. If they were outside of the empire, they would be foreign.

        TheTruthBomb wrote:
        You do realize that that the Empire was partially based on Nazi Germany...right?
        The destruction of Alderaan is the same as the firebombing of Dresden or Tokyo during WWII. Those deaths are on Leia's conscience.

        Vader's a Shakespearean tragedy: He has amazing powers and is a superhero. He's tasked with keeping law and order in a vast and expansive galaxy against a well funded terrorist insurgency. He didn't know he had children and when he finds out that he not only has two children - but they're leaders of the rebellion - how heartbroken must he have been.
    • Isn't it obvious????
      • RE: Why is the "Rebel Alliance" considered the heroes of Star Wars? 10/13/2017 11:43AM - in reply to Karl Hungus
      • Isn't it obvious????
      • For the same reason the Rebels are considered the heroes of the Civil War. The Rebels are against the black man.
    • semenyagoat
      • RE: Why is the "Rebel Alliance" considered the heroes of Star Wars? 10/13/2017 11:57AM - in reply to Isn't it obvious????
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      • the imperium seems to be a decent government. the planets still have a lot of autonomy, can have monarchies or other systems of government themselves. I havent seen religious prosecution or genocide. I guess they even have healthcare on the most planets. probably the better country than the usa