PCT Fastest Known Time - 3 Hour marathoner broke the record last month WITH GPS but was still denied FKT

" at several junctures, trail closures forced Sabbe onto alternate trail or road routes. One detour necessitated a two-hour drive.

Those reroutes—though recommended by the Pacific Crest Trail Association (PCTA), the nonprofit dedicated to promoting the trail—are now giving some people pause, and may turn into an asterisk that clings to Sabbe’s record "

I think the FKT guys don't want to give him the record because he's a Euro - and unknown. Kind of like Kaiha, but at least this Belgian had GPS that David Hornton even deemed legit.

http://trailrunnermag.com/people/news/2257-karel-sabbe-pacific-crest-trail-fkt-debate

"My feeling is that if he took fire detours, it’s not really the PCT,” says Peter Bakwin, who tracks trail records on the Fastest Known Time website and is arguably the trail-running world’s de-facto authority on the subject."

Oh no! He was sponsored by SKINS! Isn't that the company that Rob Young was supported and helped him cheat?

That doesn't look good for Sabbe. Could Skins have helped him cheat the GPS data, fireroad detours aside?

Sleuths? Anything here?

https://www.facebook.com/Karel-Sabbe-Ultrarunning-1693493784271108/

When you google his name and skins compression

Karel Sabbe Ultrarunning | Facebook

https://www.facebook.com/Karel-Sabbe-Ultrarunning-1693493784

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A page about Karel Sabbe, a Belgian ultrarunner who has some big projects on his schedule. ... Randy Rebo Berton Karl dude...inspireing - rebo ..... Our partner in crime, SKINS compression clothing, did a pretty good job! Check it here!

partner in crime? you don't say

Good work, he is on Skins. Insane.

https://www.skins.net/eu/blog/the-ultra-running-dentist

"Karel proves you don’t need to be a pro to achieve the stuff of dreams"

FakestKnownTimes wrote:

Good work, he is on Skins. Insane.

https://www.skins.net/eu/blog/the-ultra-running-dentist

He's a dentist! You can't make this stuff up!

we need to get Litton's opinion on this guy. As a runner and a dentist.

Cheating GPS data, even strava, for supported FKT's would be extremely easy. All you have to do is hand off your phone to a different hiker whenever you need rest. This guy used an android app on his phone for GPS. Heck, you could even transfer your chip from one phone to the other if you wanted really fool people. What are the odds that his physiologist (who crewed him) and himself shared the journey by taking turns logging 50 mile days? The crew guy looks like a mountaineer.

Carry on.

FakestKnownTimes wrote:

One detour necessitated a two-hour drive.

Why would you even think about an FKT after getting a 2 hour ride in a car?

MM3307 wrote:

FakestKnownTimes wrote:

One detour necessitated a two-hour drive.

Why would you even think about an FKT after getting a 2 hour ride in a car?

Would you rather he run for that 2-hour ride? Another 60-100 miles?

The rule for trail closures should be easy. Get a ride to the open point. Run the missing miles on the trail where it is open--out and back. Continue onward.

There needs to a way to let runners continue and avoid illegally running on officially closed trails.

distances wrote:

MM3307 wrote:

Why would you even think about an FKT after getting a 2 hour ride in a car?

Would you rather he run for that 2-hour ride? Another 60-100 miles?

The rule for trail closures should be easy. Get a ride to the open point. Run the missing miles on the trail where it is open--out and back. Continue onward.

There needs to a way to let runners continue and avoid illegally running on officially closed trails.

Then the entire trail wasn't completed hence no record. Cry me a river

distances wrote:

MM3307 wrote:

Why would you even think about an FKT after getting a 2 hour ride in a car?

Would you rather he run for that 2-hour ride? Another 60-100 miles?

The rule for trail closures should be easy. Get a ride to the open point. Run the missing miles on the trail where it is open--out and back. Continue onward.

There needs to a way to let runners continue and avoid illegally running on officially closed trails.

Then the entire trail wasn't completed hence no record. Cry me a river

Lawn Gnome wrote:

distances wrote:

Would you rather he run for that 2-hour ride? Another 60-100 miles?

The rule for trail closures should be easy. Get a ride to the open point. Run the missing miles on the trail where it is open--out and back. Continue onward.

There needs to a way to let runners continue and avoid illegally running on officially closed trails.

Then the entire trail wasn't completed hence no record. Cry me a river

Boo, hoo, hoo. Imbecile. You are the type that illegally runs on closed trails. And when you stuck you expect others to save you. Let me guess: all out-of-bounds skiing, running across private property, and similar.

People like you are why trails get closed, and remain closed to users.

distances wrote:

Lawn Gnome wrote:

Then the entire trail wasn't completed hence no record. Cry me a river

Boo, hoo, hoo. Imbecile. You are the type that illegally runs on closed trails. And when you stuck you expect others to save you. Let me guess: all out-of-bounds skiing, running across private property, and similar.

People like you are why trails get closed, and remain closed to users.

Keep cying mamas boy. I hope to get every trail closed down just to piss you off.

I have never run a trail in my life. Trails are dirty and would make my bright pink running shoes look nasty. So, no trails for me! :-)

The fire closure and official reroute will be in effect until May 2018.

This guy got shafted in his attempt!

What if that trail portion never reopens? Does nobody ever get the FKT for eterntinty thereafter? The holier than thou FKT geetkapers need to rethink their little club rules.

Who cares what the reasons. As soon as he took a 2 hour ride in the car, no bueno. No record.

Salazar ran what appeared to be a world record marathon at NYCM in 1981, but the course was unfortunately 148m short. No bueno. No record.

Paul Tergat ran what appeared to be a world record half marathon in 1996 in 58:51, but the course unfortunately had a misplaced cone and it was short. No bueno. No record.

Correct me if im wrong but the article says he ran 10 miles on the road, and a 36 mile out and back on an official reroute in order to compensate the 24 mile closure.

So, 46 > 24. By a long shot.

Ill have to look at the first couple days strava. But, this is what the trailmag article by the op states.

Everest had bad weather, so I rerouted by FKT Everest ascent to Mt Whitney. Now they're trying to tell me it doesn't count as a FKT. What bullsh*t!