When does running to win become normal?

Bump?

It does feel a little weird at first not giving full effort, but it does help out the team because you're more fresh later on, and better for your body as well.

It becomes normal when the person winning the race is a 99.9% certainty before hand like it is in a lot of HS races where the 9:20 guy is "racing" a bunch of 9:40 guys. In HS the only time to race for a win is at something like states or national meet.

depends on the situation. we have city coming up soon. I tell my top kids to not worry about time and just run for place. I have two kids who should be 1-2 in a couple of events. and i would rather they run just hard enough early to ensure they place well later.

Remember, track IS a team sport. Do what you can to help your team win. Some coaches dont care about meets and only focus on state. others care about meets. Whatever your coach finds important is important to the team. No right or wrong way

Guess what? A teammate Steve Prefontaine said that Pre was a retard when it came to racing strategy.

Even paced running is smart.

Add a "to"

YouthCoachD wrote:

depends on the situation. we have city coming up soon. I tell my top kids to not worry about time and just run for place. I have two kids who should be 1-2 in a couple of events. and i would rather they run just hard enough early to ensure they place well later.

Remember, track IS a team sport. Do what you can to help your team win. Some coaches dont care about meets and only focus on state. others care about meets. Whatever your coach finds important is important to the team. No right or wrong way

Track is NOT a team sport. That's loser mentality.

Run the races fast if you want. To help your team the most run the 4x 8 all out but then draft in the 800m and run tactically. That way you can still try to win it and save energy for the 4x 400m

The coach may tell you to run slower but if it feels wrong to you, like you are throwing the race then run faster. You only live once.

try "of Steve Prefontaine's"

Jed Clampett wrote:

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Yeah that is what I meant.

Well Data Point, I dont know how they do it where you are, but here we go to state to win team championships. The couple of meets a year we are looking to put it together like city, we are looking for team titles. high School Track is a team sport.

Be happy you are out of relays to run the real events. I always put the B-team guys on relays to score more points in open events.

Seriously mate? wrote:

try "of Steve Prefontaine's"

Jed Clampett wrote:

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No. Steve Prefontaine's teammate or a teammate of/to Steve Prefontaine. Never a ____ of _____'s; no matter how often you hear stupid people say that, it doesn't make it proper grammar.

Used to do it a lot in England, where post high-school you would most frequently run track in League events. There was a National League where anybody, up to including Coe and Ovett could, and did, appear, and then below that divisions of regional leagues.

You had "A" and "B" races, two per event (1500m + ran both races together), and you'd often double or triple - especially running for our "B" team in a lower league - and try and win as easily as possible.

There were opportunities to go for a time in the numerous mid-week open meets that would be on. These had huge numbers and were graded by time. At that stage (80s) a 4 min 1500m runner might be in the eighth heat, with 15-20 to a heat. You just hung on and got sucked along...

YouthCoachD wrote:

Well Data Point, I dont know how they do it where you are, but here we go to state to win team championships. The couple of meets a year we are looking to put it together like city, we are looking for team titles. high School Track is a team sport.

Then you either have natural loser kids or you are making them into losers if they are willing to sacrifice individual performance for a team. It's not football or basketball.

Sorry, but that's a fact. Taking a runner who can compete for individual titles and stashing them in a series of relays is a crime.

Troll post... If there were D1 team you wouldn't be running the 1600 or 3200. Those are HS events.

Cavorty wrote:

Used to do it a lot in England, where post high-school you would most frequently run track in League events. There was a National League where anybody, up to including Coe and Ovett could, and did, appear, and then below that divisions of regional leagues.

You had "A" and "B" races, two per event (1500m + ran both races together), and you'd often double or triple - especially running for our "B" team in a lower league - and try and win as easily as possible.

There were opportunities to go for a time in the numerous mid-week open meets that would be on. These had huge numbers and were graded by time. At that stage (80s) a 4 min 1500m runner might be in the eighth heat, with 15-20 to a heat. You just hung on and got sucked along...

Good old Watford opens ;)

ak4139 wrote:

Troll post... If there were D1 team you wouldn't be running the 1600 or 3200. Those are HS events.

Division one highschool maybe?

Winning is what it's about. Occasionally you'll run for times, but times come from having strong competition.

Americans are - generalising - too hung up on times. Win the Olympic 5km gold and only an idiot would care about the time. Many belittle Mo's major gold medals because the times aren't that quick or his PB isn't quick enough. Those many = idiots.