Salazar completely WASTES Levin's AMAZING fitness on pointless DOUBLES

Did you ever consider that maybe this is all part of a larger goal?

Herty wrote:

Did you ever consider that maybe this is all part of a larger goal?

I don't think falling off the back in a slow race was part of a larger goal.

I kind of have to agree somewhat on this.

That effort, which was totally unnecessary(of course in hindsight, it was impressive when it happened, although I was puzzled at it even then) , clearly depleted a great fitness level, he looked completely ordinary at Millrose, no pop, no ability to move within the race, nothing.

Trialswatcher wrote:

I kind of have to agree somewhat on this.

That effort, which was totally unnecessary(of course in hindsight, it was impressive when it happened, although I was puzzled at it even then) , clearly depleted a great fitness level, he looked completely ordinary at Millrose, no pop, no ability to move within the race, nothing.

This x100%

Could have thrown down a great time at a distance in his best range...now Salazar can brag about what? A double that impressed 50 Letsrunners?

Terrible planning. All done to avoid a true race for Rupp during his "virus" slump.

Don't forget that Levins did a workout after that double. You'd think the greatest single day mile/2M would have been enough.

Hell yeah! There is NO DOUBT that all of us LRC posters would be WAY better at coaching Levins that Alberto You-Gotta-Be-Kidding-Me Salazar!!!

Hell Yeah wrote:

Hell yeah! There is NO DOUBT that all of us LRC posters would be WAY better at coaching Levins that Alberto You-Gotta-Be-Kidding-Me Salazar!!!

It's not about what AlSal knows, it is about the fact that he knows better than to do that. It is like he gets "fancy" for its own sake. The workout after races is one thing, but it (like other things as well) can be taken too far, and not everyone will respond the same anyway.

Having said that - it was one race - this could have just been a bad day at the office and he may (likely) rebound to make this race irrelevant in the longer scheme of things.

"Completely WASTES"?? Don't know about the other T & F fans out there, but this was one helluva double that will not soon be forgotten. Cam Levins is now on my radar for years to come. And now I'll even remember he went to S Utah, not BYU like I had thought! And thinking about his cool down last week after his first win, overlapping with his warm up for 2nd race, has me shaking my head in disbelief. Even after some of the awesome performances at Millrose this weekend, Levin's double is the highlight of the indoor season so far...

hurry up and wait wrote:

Hell Yeah wrote:

Hell yeah! There is NO DOUBT that all of us LRC posters would be WAY better at coaching Levins that Alberto You-Gotta-Be-Kidding-Me Salazar!!!

It's not about what AlSal knows, it is about the fact that he knows better than to do that. It is like he gets "fancy" for its own sake. The workout after races is one thing, but it (like other things as well) can be taken too far, and not everyone will respond the same anyway.

Having said that - it was one race - this could have just been a bad day at the office and he may (likely) rebound to make this race irrelevant in the longer scheme of things.

Like I said, you obviously would do a much better job with Levins (as would the rest of us posters).

How much did Cam get paid for running a time trial?

You guys are dumb. Do you think he really cares about running super fast, well-rested indoor times? Get a clue.

Then why is he racing?

Cam is being taught a lesson...

DON'T YOU EVER BEAT GALEN AGAIN UNLESS I SAY SO!!!! ONLY MO CAN BEAT GALEN AT THE OLYMPICS

I like pros racing. It's good for the sport.

Use it or lose it.

Trialswatcher wrote:

I kind of have to agree somewhat on this.

That effort, which was totally unnecessary(of course in hindsight, it was impressive when it happened, although I was puzzled at it even then) , clearly depleted a great fitness level, he looked completely ordinary at Millrose, no pop, no ability to move within the race, nothing.

I agree. My point would be:

Despite Salazar's contention that he learned from his past mistakes of training himself into the ground with non-stop intensity/volume, and despite the fact that I do believe he gives his guys more "easy" days, and breaks after seasons than he gave himself (some of the lessons he learned), I think he does push his people sometimes over the edge (in a different way: the Levins double, the insane post PR/AR/killer double workouts, etc). Now he can be somewhat forgiven for this considering the seemingly inhuman ability both Rupp and Levins have shown in the past in being able to withstand intense training, and then thrive off it. But, obviously, there is still always a limit to this . At some point, and I guess you never truly know when, you will brush up against, and then surpass, what is too much training for an individual. At some point it's too much. Who knows what Rupp was doing leading up to his bad race a week ago. With Levins, the really hard double with only 30 mins rest, with hard workout afterwards was likely the breaking point (and who knows what else they tried to pile on after that/during the week). You don't look that flat (as Levins did, or Rupp did last week) without either being terribly out of shape (certainly not the case with Levins), or being heavily overtrained (clearly Levins), at least short term.

Hopefully they all learn from this. If it's only a bad race, and then you bounce back great later, then obviously it doesn't matter a bit in the end. But if you overdo it a few too many training periods in a row....you end up like Salazar did. Injured and burnt to crisp.

kmaclam wrote:

"Completely WASTES"?? Don't know about the other T & F fans out there, but this was one helluva double that will not soon be forgotten. Cam Levins is now on my radar for years to come.

Great.

So rather than putting down a legitimate world-class performance, he is combining sub-par performances within 30 minutes one weekend and then dragging like bag of lead two weeks later, pleasing DOZENS of the sport's nerdiest individuals. DOZENS, I say!!

Please.

Uh oh. Moved onto Levins now, have you?

Don't forget the post race interval workout....

Of course, it's also possible he could've just had aa bit of a bug, too.