Ole Classic - Gray 1'42.80 Solo from '92 Trials

not bad at the age of 32 (though this would not help in age-grading)...

also worth checking out: as far as i know, the only johnny gray 1500m race from modesto relays--pretty cool battle between jgray and doug padilla...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elNGqkEj5Eo

Realism. He would not have run any quicker elsewhere with your b.s. changes in pace and rest.

He ran faster in this race because the stakes were high, no international travel required, in his timezone, eating own food, close to family, family in stands, highly motivated, preferred running from front, etc. Variables can be flipped. He ran want he ran.

Pity he didn't peak for the Olympics when it mattered

'realistically, that 24.1 wouda taken all the starch out of him already & it's a miracle he hung onto 1'42.8 '

Rudisha went out in 23.4 for his world record in London

It is normal for the first 200m to be run faster than the second

If he (Gray) went out in 24 high, he would have been stuck behind Redwine and the first lap would have slowed to 50 point - with the winning time prob around 1:43.5. Sometimes you need to go out a little quick in order to get in the position you want.

Vent, I'm extremely suprised you didn't count for the wind conditions on the day!

ukathleticscoach wrote:

Pity he didn't peak for the Olympics when it mattered

Are you being a little bit harsh? He won a bronze medal which is quite an achievement.

if he ran the trial run in that Olympic final he would have wonsplits 24.0 and 49.9

Euro runner wrote:

ukathleticscoach wrote:

Pity he didn't peak for the Olympics when it mattered

Are you being a little bit harsh? He won a bronze medal which is quite an achievement.

It wasn't solo.

There were other people in the race.

It certainly helps to be in a race environment and having people running behind you and chasing you.

Maybe you meant leading without a rabbit.

The 1996 Trials was similar but not as fast at 1:44 flat.

Gray leading the whole way for the win and Parrilla sneaking in again for the third spot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3xhsrwedcM

ukathleticscoach wrote:Rudisha went out in 23.4 for his world record in London

& it's a miracle he held on for a wr

part of the miracle was he had to ease off tremendously to bell with next 200 of 25.88 compared to gray's 25.36 for only 0.18s faster at the bell

Rudy did very well to hang onto 51.63 last lap, for 2.35s differential compared to "ideal" 2s

It is normal for the first 200m to be run faster than the second

not by these ridiculous amounts

for gray, ideal splits for 1'42.80 were

~ 24.95 !! / 50.4 / 76.35 / 1'42.80

for a 1'40.91,

~ 24.48 !!! / 49.46 / 74.94 / 1'40.91

A 1:42.8 is worth a 1:42.8.

no chance

this shows you are completely clueless about 800m

4th race in 6/7 & ridiculous 24.1s opener are NOT the way to run a solo 1'42.8

you think he wouda run no faster if he had hap a pacer taking him thru 200 - 400 as on euro circuit ???

you think he woud come into trials off 1/2 asssed training ???

err...

you do realise america is a continent ???

you do realise he wouda had to take a 2000 mile plane journey from his base in los angeles to new orleans ???

nonsense

2 hour time difference between LA & new orleans

eh ??

you think he was eating jambalya, crayfish & gumbo in LA ???

a likely 2000 mile trip for them as well assuming they went from LA as well

who ???

name the ones who made the 2000 mile trip

if you aren't motivated for trials, you have no business being a pro athlete

which by evidence of 1 bronze from 4 games when with smart racing he shouda won '88 & '92 golds when hot favourite & probably silver in '84 on basis of 1'42.96sb, shows front-running was NOT the ideal way for him to run

& they can be accounted for to reasses a clocking

a meaningless statement without analysis of the variables

do you seriously think he was "only" a 1'42.80 guy if in trials shape, he ran a fully rested run in zurich, paced smoothly to bell in sensible 200/400 splits & no distraction of having to burn off an everett in 1st 200/400 ???

Star wrote:It certainly helps to be in a race environment and having people running behind you and chasing you

& sometimes it doesn't, when the pressure of leading can make you crumble as johnny did in '92 games

ventolin^3 wrote:

ukathleticscoach wrote:Rudisha went out in 23.4 for his world record in London

it's a miracle he held on for a wr

Not at all. The first and second 200 should split heavily positive, just as the first and second lap should be, if you want a fast race.

If Gray had gone out in 24 high, he would have gone through 400 in 50 mid and finished in about 1:44.

Bad Wigins vs Ventolin. This should be good

my premise was for a euro circuit tt where he was the elite guy & coud dictate the pace he wanted from pacer after discussing with promoter & have no worry about having to blast the 200 to get pole with distractions like everett in the race

johnny was guy with potential to re-write record books & not everett & if i was camp-johnny, i wouda insisted on a euro tt without everett/barbosa ( another notorious quick-start blaster ) to eliminate the distractors forcing him to go out too quick

no doubt it wouda been a 1'43+ in trials if he'd run a tactical race, but in a fully rested euro race/tt dragged thru in that shape it wouda been hugely quicker than 1'42.8, off smooth paced 24-high/49-high, well into 1'41s

i did

the vests/shorts don't appear billowing

the wind certainly picked up 35+' later when powell had a lj foul with -1.6

wind doesn't appear a factor for the race, but it woud be nice to hear from johnny about the race

Bad Wigins wrote:Not at all

no

The first and second 200 should split heavily positive, just as the first and second lap should be, if you want a fast race

not to ridiculous levels of johhny or Rudy's races

If Gray had gone out in 24 high, he would have gone through 400 in 50 mid and finished in about 1:44.

no way that slow a 400 split or 800 time

it shoud be ~ 0.5s slowing each 200

for your suggested 24-high theoretical, call it 24.75, the ideal splits woud be

24.75 / 50.00 / 75.75 / 1'42.00

ridiculous 24-flat/low & even moreso 23+ starts kill of times run compared to guys' absolute potential with "proper" openers

you don't want to be forced to take a serious rest between 200 - 400

to run to absolute potential, it shoud be a smooth deceleration from gun-to-tape

Love it! Thanks!!

ventolin^3 wrote:

for your suggested 24-high theoretical, call it 24.75, the ideal splits woud be

24.75 / 50.00 / 75.75 / 1'42.00

ridiculous 24-flat/low & even moreso 23+ starts kill of times run compared to guys' absolute potential with "proper" openers

Well go tell Johnny Gray then, if he finds out this brilliant idea maybe he will tell Duane to start slower. Tell David too while you're at it, maybe we'll see a 1:39. Who knew you could save stored phosphates for after 200m?

Bad Wigins wrote:

ventolin^3 wrote:

for your suggested 24-high theoretical, call it 24.75, the ideal splits woud be

24.75 / 50.00 / 75.75 / 1'42.00

ridiculous 24-flat/low & even moreso 23+ starts kill of times run compared to guys' absolute potential with "proper" openers

Well go tell Johnny Gray then, if he finds out this brilliant idea maybe he will tell Duane to start slower. Tell David too while you're at it, maybe we'll see a 1:39. Who knew you could save stored phosphates for after 200m?

So why not go through 200m in 21xx