Babies born out of wed-lock

100% of the people who hyphenate "wedlock" are retarded.

If I had a father he would have taught me that.

More research wrote:

100% of the people who hyphenate "wedlock" are retarded.

Put a ring on it. wrote:

Research by the National Father Initiative;

60% of America's rapists

72% of adolescent murderers

70% of long term prison inmates

Come from fatherless homes.

Children without a father are 50% more likely to join a gang, drop out of school and use drugs.

3-times more likely to have emotional and behavioral issues, and 5 times more likely to have out of wed-lock children. So the problem just repeats.

What are the stats for kids living in homes where their parents don't get along? Or where dad is present but not a good influence?

How much difference does it make for female children?

No Way wrote:

What are the stats for kids living in homes where their parents don't get along? Or where dad is present but not a good influence?

Apparently those kids are included in the group that the kids "from fatherless homes" were compared to.

Where do you think strippers and hookers come from?

Straw M Thoroughman wrote:

How much difference does it make for female children?

does not mean fatherless child.

http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs008/1101701160827/archive/1108965696926.html

lease wrote:

No Way wrote:

What are the stats for kids living in homes where their parents don't get along? Or where dad is present but not a good influence?

Apparently those kids are included in the group that the kids "from fatherless homes" were compared to.

Still a separate demographic that could be similar to the one that is singled out.

Tell me more about how these are corrected for things like:

1) Income level

2) Educational level

3) Alternate family structures

My guess would be that the real correlation is with poor, uneducated, chaotic families with insufficient support. A child raised by a well educated mom with help from a grandmother or aunt in a household with solid financial resources would probably do just as well on average as one raised in a traditional mom/dad/kid home. At least that is the obvious comparison that I would like to see.

How many fathers are not with their families due to being prosecuted as non-violent drug offenders?

Precious Roy wrote:

How many fathers are not with their families due to being prosecuted as non-violent drug offenders?

A very reasonable question, but I think we need to understand that, if drugs were decriminalized (which I favor), most of these guys would still be doing illegal stuff.

For the majority in the trade, drug laws and their enforcement are *not* the only things that are keeping these guys from having straight jobs. Make the trade completely legit (aka boring, regulated, grownup, rewarding those with a good work attitude and work ethic), and most of them would just move into other illegal activities.

Being born out of wedlock isn't the same thing as being raised in a fatherless home.

Tell Me Moore wrote:

Tell me more about how these are corrected for things like:

1) Income level

2) Educational level

3) Alternate family structures

My guess would be that the real correlation is with poor, uneducated, chaotic families with insufficient support. A child raised by a well educated mom with help from a grandmother or aunt in a household with solid financial resources would probably do just as well on average as one raised in a traditional mom/dad/kid home. At least that is the obvious comparison that I would like to see.

I would think that kids in this situation probably have a father still in their life. A well educated mom probably is going to marry a guy that abandons his family and isn't around to help raise the child, even if part time. But still a good point.

A worthwhile study would be comparing children with no father figure whatsoever to kids with 'part time' dads AND two parent families.

And along with all the experiments, surveys, and polls on race, crime, violence etc.... income plays a role somehow.

Tell Me Moore wrote:

A child raised by a well educated mom with help from a grandmother or aunt in a household with solid financial resources would probably do just as well on average as one raised in a traditional mom/dad/kid home.

I saw some stats on this years ago--don't remember the source (and I'm frankly not interested in making a lengthy Google search right now), but the upshot is that on average kids in that situation *don't* do quite as well.

This was true even after correcting for income, socioeconomic status, and so on, though those things definitely played a role.

And obviously averages don't speak to individual cases. My niece (brought up in a house with Mom, an aunt, and Gramma) has turned out just great, I'm very happy to say.

Fatherless means that there is no father either in the home or with visitation privileges, whereas out of wedlock means without the parents being married. Today, the majority of cohabiting couples are unmarried. I watch while many of my friends and relatives who married and had children have since broken up, while we remain unmarried and together with great kids. There's nothing magic about marriage per se, but no doubt kids need a father and the economic stability that two parents provide. Single mothers and their children in other developed countries do much better than they do in the United States, because of more generous social programs. All of society is better for those programs.

not the same wrote:

Being born out of wedlock isn't the same thing as being raised in a fatherless home.

^^^^^^^^^ This^1000 ^^^^^^^^^

No, I am DEFINING this situation where there is a well-educated mom, a live-in and capable grandmother, solid financial resources AND NO DAD. That is the definition.

And the question remains whether or not such kids on average do as well as kids raised in the more traditional mom/dad/kid household with similar education/finances for the household adults.

I do not know the answer. But that is the question.

srth5 wrote:

Tell Me Moore wrote:

A child raised by a well educated mom with help from a grandmother or aunt in a household with solid financial resources would probably do just as well on average as one raised in a traditional mom/dad/kid home.

I saw some stats on this years ago--don't remember the source (and I'm frankly not interested in making a lengthy Google search right now), but the upshot is that on average kids in that situation *don't* do quite as well.

This was true even after correcting for income, socioeconomic status, and so on, though those things definitely played a role.

And obviously averages don't speak to individual cases. My niece (brought up in a house with Mom, an aunt, and Gramma) has turned out just great, I'm very happy to say.

Thanks. I certainly accept your unwillingness to look it up. Still, it would be interesting to see. Are the genders of the adult figures in the child's household relevant? I don't know.

Wondering what the stats will be like in 20 years when we look at kids raised in faglock or dykelock homes.