Uninsured Americans to pay $42k-$75k for Covid care. Insured to pay a portion of $22k-$38k (IF in network). Canadians pay $0.00

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

When I went on vacation in Costa Rica there were several retired Canadians I met who were retired living in Costa Rica because the health care in Canada is so bad. .

We have these kind of people in Norway too, except, they are not in Norway but in Spain, and they say all is shiit in Norway, but are against people migrating to Norway, as the Norwegian White Class would be diluted, and so I think, what does the Spaniards think about my fellow countrymen?

Somebody said it takes a month to get the result of your bloodtest in Canada, but just a week in the US.

And I say, hello, lie about something that is plausible,

When I have a bloodtest in rural Norway it takes 1 day.

Repeat. 1 day.

To get my result.

"Can we get a comparison on care quality and wait times? "

Sure. I live in a universal healthcare country that is not Canada. Canadians posting here have already corrected Americans posing as Canadian hacks in this thread. Read their responses to learn the truth abooooooot Canada. America has the worst healthcare in the developed world so no need really.

Regarding other universal healthcare countries, my wait times are shorter and taxes are less than I'd pay in America for the same quality and MUCH lower prices. I'm American but I will never return to America. No need.

I've had same day specialist visits (orthopedists) with no appointment. MRI's, CT scans, xrays... all done the same day. Just walk in off the street. Tell them why you're there, go to specialist. Done. In America this is a multi-day affair, requiring multiple days off work. Referrals. America is very slow and overly complicated.

So my universal healthcare is faster than in America.

I waited one week from first visit to none-emergency, arthroscopic surgery. One week folks. All your BS American talking points you've been brainwashed with about wait times is just not true for the overwhelming majority living in universal healthcare countries. One year wait times don't exist where I live. If one year wait times were the norm, not the exceptions (if true), universal healthcare countries would have switched to America's system. None have.

Regarding quality, same technology, same medical training. Many doctors here go to America for information and training with something called The Internet. It's this invention where people can share information openly. Many doctors here also go to other countries to learn the latest methods and updates. Check it out. "Internet" So doctors here have the world's innovations readily available but within a superior universal healthcare system. Imagine being an American doctor stuck in the worst healthcare system in the developed world. How self-defeating that must be.

Regarding taxes, if I were back in America my tax rate would be 22% right now. Where I live, my income tax rates have been either 10% or 20% (usually on the cusp) at the same income level. Most in the country where I live also fall in the 10% or 20% category. 120 million people.

so I get..

~ The same quality care

~ Faster service

~ Lower taxes

~ Lower costs (I've paid between $56-110 for a decade, including while being unemployed)

~ Guaranteed coverage in ALL cases (unemployment, divorce, being poor, moving across state lines, Covid19)

Do any of you in America pay $56-110 a month for healthcare with no deductibles with a 10% income tax rate for faster care of the same quality while also being unemployed or employed as a 46 year old? That answer is no.

SprintTriathlon wrote:

Somebody said it takes a month to get the result of your bloodtest in Canada, but just a week in the US.

And I say, hello, lie about something that is plausible,

When I have a bloodtest in rural Norway it takes 1 day.

Repeat. 1 day.

To get my result.

Yep...in Australia, same day if taken in morning, free

Emergency surgery by the best surgeons...free

Bowel/breast/prostate cancer screening..free

MRI depending on referral/reason...free

etc etc

...and amongst the leading countries in medical research too.

The even better news is that no matter what you believe about universal healthcare, the GubMint's epic fail on CARES bailout means every American now owes $10K for for it. If you hate socialism, there is not a better example of it than this socialized welfare for companies that Congress passed. Very little went to individual citizens. Citizens were asked to stay home, but were expected to pay all of their bills. Corporations, who already had zero interest loans readily available, got bailed out. Citizens got a one time payment that doesn't cover average rent, forget about food.

Same in Japan.

Everything is same day. EKG, cardiogram, all scans, imaging, blood work. You name it. Very cheap too. And top quality.

Free annual health check with cancer screenings.

Rock bottom prices, top notch care, and great health outcomes compared to America

Its Sarah Palin's death panels.

However, at least the uninsured won't using the ER for primary care.

And how can people who not have care now, be worse of if its 'rationed'.

Health care is a necessity, like education.

* Insurers may still not cover all the costs that accompany testing, even if they waive the costs of the tests themselves.

* Others infected later in the pandemic still can't get tested and may not be able to prove they had the coronavirus."

www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1187966

NYC sure, but NJ? Ever hear of Toronto? Our little city of 2.3M had 16 new cases yesterday, btw.

fair points wrote:

Regarding taxes, if I were back in America my tax rate would be 22% right now. Where I live, my income tax rates have been either 10% or 20% (usually on the cusp) at the same income level. Most in the country where I live also fall in the 10% or 20% category. 120 million people.

so I get..

~ The same quality care

~ Faster service

~ Lower taxes

~ Lower costs (I've paid between $56-110 for a decade, including while being unemployed)

~ Guaranteed coverage in ALL cases (unemployment, divorce, being poor, moving across state lines, Covid19)

Do any of you in America pay $56-110 a month for healthcare with no deductibles with a 10% income tax rate for faster care of the same quality while also being unemployed or employed as a 46 year old? That answer is no.

That sounds very nice. What % of your populace pays into the income tax system? What % of your population is obese?

What percentage of the American population thinks paying a dollar in taxes is somehow MORE than paying two dollars to a health corporation? That would be most the country. Most people in America think 1 is a bigger number than 2 when it comes to healthcare costs. Somehow they have been fooled successfully by both parties.

USA pays 18% of GDP annually of healthcare (2 dollars in the above example)

Universal healthcare countries pay 8-10% (1 dollar in the above example)

Americans reject saving half on their medical costs, choosing to pay more for worse outcomes.

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/health-spending-u-s-compare-countries/#item-relative-size-wealth-u-s-spends-disproportionate-amount-health