Uninsured Americans to pay $42k-$75k for Covid care. Insured to pay a portion of $22k-$38k (IF in network). Canadians pay $0.00

What about out of network? Scared to ask.

It's WAY past time for universal healthcare in the US. Shameful is the best word to describe our lacking in this area. Fvcking shameful.

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It's ridiculous. Even the insured will blow tons of money.

Universal healthcare bad, virus ok! wrote:Reality is smacking America in the face yet again. Who cares about the Common Good when you can waste your money for the ability to hate the other side. That’s what you’re actually paying for, and that’s it, while both parties rob you blind.

Counterpoint: Canada's health care system is overwhelmed even in 'normal' times and survives only by extreme rationing of healthcare. Expect Canadians to be locked-down far longer than people south of the border because it's leaders realize that the slightest uptick in CV-19 will swamp the chronically underfunded system. They have zero wiggle room to prevent the house of cards from collapsing.

And when interest rates inevitably rise again - even slightly - the debt servicing costs of massive fiscal stimulus will put enormous pressure on government budgets causing - you guessed it - more extreme rationing of health care in Canada.

Doesn't help that the tax revenue from Canada's high-cost oil producers will be long gone.

Reality is about to smack Canada squarely in the face.

Universal healthcare bad, virus ok! wrote:

America pays 18% of its GDP annually on healthcare for atrocious results and what amounts to theft. Universal healthcare countries pay just 8-10% annually and take care of their people with something called “public safety”.

The takeaway = Yuh git wit yuh pay for. In America that means paying more and getting much less. Work hard, save, then lose it all because someone to scared to go to the hospital because of cost got you sick.

How did for-profit deathcare work out for America during coronavirus?

Reality is smacking America in the face yet again. Who cares about the Common Good when you can waste your money for the ability to hate the other side. That’s what you’re actually paying for, and that’s it, while both parties rob you blind.

www.cnbc.com/2020/04/01/covid-19-hospital-bills-could-cost-uninsured-americans-up-to-75000.html

“A portion of $x” could still be really cheap. Most would probably hit their max out of pocket.

Retired people on Medicare pay about $5. People on Medicaid pay about $5 (and complain about it). What is the excuse for the ten percent that choose to go without in this country? It’s not like it is unavailable. It’s also worth noting that even at those costs, hospitals are still losing money. When all those European governments with universal healthcare get the coronavirus bill, it will be interesting to see if they are able to maintain their systems (Italy and Greece are likely to face default or austerity measures again). On the other hand, some of the individuals that were causing a disproportionate cost on their social systems (the old and sick) are no longer living, so maybe they have a chance after all.

What societies prioritize, they find ways to pay for. The US 'system' is the worst of all worlds unless you are very affluent.

Universal healthcare is a deadly evil that costs millions of Canadians their health and lives when their government cannot provide treatment advanced enough to help them.

Actually, life expectancy etc is higher in Canada than the U.S, so that blows that one out of the water.

FREEDOM ISN"T FREE!!!!!!!

You are a moron ! They pay way more than zero, check their taxes. Also, waiting over a year for an MRI sucks. So does waiting two years for a hip replacement!

I was in Scottsdale in early March at the Mayo Clinic with my Canadian grandma and the waiting room was full of other Canadians, who stay in the many hotels next to the clinic and house mostly Canadians .. they even have Canadian tv on in the hotel lobby ..

News Alert!

Canadians can pay for private health care to reduce their waiting times too. It's not one or the other, people have a choice in nearly all the countries that have universal healthcare.

Canadian families pay almost 12,000.00 per year in taxes for healthcare...crappy healthcare.

Tell us, what universal healthcare countries have abandoned their superior schemes and switched to America's failed deathcare system.

Right....

Now,

How did that work out for America during coronavirus.

Uh huh...

I live in a universal healthcare country. Waited 1 week for shoulder surgery. Cost was $400 plus rehab at $12 a pop. Would have cost $24,000 in America. Everything else is same day. Everything. Just walk in and you're out. No surprise bills come later. No deductibles. Prices are fixed. Everything is clear. Everything is final. Everyone is covered. Everyone saves money.

If someone is unwilling to wait 1 week to save $23,600, they would write exactly like you. Hey wait a minute, isn't the average wait for a non emergency surgery like a partially functional rotator cuff about a week? Doh. You just lost $23,600 betting against the normal wait time.

Nobody that lives here goes to America for care. Zero. But tons of Americans I know won't return to America because they'd start off uninsured straight away. No Canadians were ever in America (Bay Area) the 35 years I was there. Never saw or met one who was there for healthcare. Ever. And nobody moves to America for healthcare. That's the regret they live with if they move to America for another reason. People move away from America for healthcare. Then stay gone.

USA HEALTHCARE >>> CANADIAN HEALTHCARE

Let's see what Americans say about American healthcare.

1/7 would skip treatment and endanger others. This is why America leads coronavirus. It's too expensive for everyone >>> insured, uninsured, underinsured. People are selfish and can't / don't want to pay, then they endanger each other. Universal Healthcare countries don't have this. That's why none have changed to America's system.

www.newsweek.com/one-seven-adults-would-avoid-coronavirus-treatment-due-cost-poll-finds-1501211%3famp=1

Unfortunately (for the US) it isn't. Has worse mortality rates, obesity, child deaths etc just to name a few. It's embarrassing for the US that they pay so much for so little.

The US has the worse cost per result of any place in the world.

The main difference is, in other countries they are judged on preventing people going to hospital and fixing people once they go into to hospital. Whereas in the US, they want you to get sick, to get into hospital and keep you there. There is no incentive to keep you healthy. Cuba even has far better results than the US, and that's with all their sanctions etc.

The interesting thing about this thread is how weak the arguments have become for those who defend the current US system.

The facts supporting universal healthcare are just overwhelming.

Two things. First, there. Is. No. Such. Thing. As. A. Free. Lunch. Study this. Explore it. We have all of human history to demonstrate it.

Second, the Canadian system would collapse under its own weight were wealthy Canadians not able to get health care in the U.S. Ever wonder why they do that?