We need a national lockdown. Now.

cold facts wrote:

2500? Explain.

Per the CDC, approximately 7,452 people die every day in the United States.

If we can get that down to 2,500 that would be amazing

This is their health ministry I don't think the Italians are trying to hide anything. I can see not believing China or CNN though.

Americans have too many rights to enforce a national lockdown. Any shelter in place we order will be NOTHING like what they did in China. The United States government is not going to lock people in their apartments and put armed guards everywhere.

The price of living in a free country means we will always have bad actors who won’t follow shelter in place orders. However, we also have the option of going to 10 grocery stores and buying reasonably priced food. During the lockdown in Wuhan, there was central grocery delivery service organized by the government. Normal food prices went up 3-4x what they had been prior to lockdown. Working class people who had lost their jobs had to survive off cabbage and potatoes because they couldn’t afford meat

YMMV wrote:

pointzero wrote:

H1n1 affected 100m+ Americans and killed less than ten thousand. When all was said and done, the fatality rate was about .02% - very far away from the 3-4% we see with covid 19.

Quit exaggerating. Covid mortality is 1.1% and dropping.

You provided no source to backup that claim and you have absolutely 0 numbers supporting your agument. Right now out of the 380k cases about 17k have died which is 4%. If you look at the cases which have had an outcome (as in the patient either died or recovered) that number is becomes 14%.

The death rate has actually been increasing lol not decreasing. Remember when South Korea had a .6% mortality rate? It's about 1.5% now. Spain just reported 563 deaths in the last 24 hours - using your terrible math which goes against scientific consensus and medical literature, they should have reported 56300 cases in the last day alone! Alas this absurd wishful thinking sadly doesn't hold up to reality - spain has confirmed only 30000 cases total. Obviously they havent confirmed every positive case there, but if the death rate were as low as people think then that would suggest the virus is wayyyyy more widespread than believed. But thats not what we see - 90% of people who are tested for coronavirus test negative. Where are the millions of positive cases that you're hinting toward with that absurdly low death rate?

Sorry, I wish you were right but you're wrong. Since death lags infection by up to eight weeks, we will see a bloody and brutal upcoming couple of months.

Stay safe everyone.

you can't spell because you're mentally retarded

On the CDC website. Quote is in regards to the 2019-2020 flu season.

"Per CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 38 million flu illnesses, 390,000 hospitalizations and 23,000 deaths from flu."

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

As of 3/23 the US has 582 deaths.

SLO BRO wrote:

On the CDC website. Quote is in regards to the 2019-2020 flu season.

"Per CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 38 million flu illnesses, 390,000 hospitalizations and 23,000 deaths from flu."

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

As of 3/23 the US has 582 deaths.

^^^ 582 Covid-19 deaths

SLO BRO wrote:

SLO BRO wrote:

On the CDC website. Quote is in regards to the 2019-2020 flu season.

"Per CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 38 million flu illnesses, 390,000 hospitalizations and 23,000 deaths from flu."

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

As of 3/23 the US has 582 deaths.

^^^ 582 Covid-19 deaths

Yep...people are paranoid & hysterical for nothing. And in addition to the seasonal flu stats for this year so far, there are *144* pediatric flu-related deaths -- Covid-19 pediatric deaths: 0!

"A total of 144 influenza-associated deaths in children have been reported this season. That’s an increase of 8 since last week’s report."

I just can't figure out people anyone. Consumed in fear and drowning in panic over a virus that hasn't inflicted anything close to the deaths of the seasonal flu and not one pediatric death.

If we didn't have the coronavirus scare this year and the CDC emphasized these seasonal flu stats including the pediatric deaths - the medical experts wouldn't start fearmongering, the government wouldn't have gone berserk shutting down the economy, and people wouldn't be consumed in fear.

Throw in the coronavirus scare and everything changes with people's mindset. It's as if the seasonal flu & pediatric deaths are acceptable losses but not the coronavirus deaths.

Can we still sniff hair?

Legal Eagle wrote:

I just can't figure out people anyone. Consumed in fear and drowning in panic over a virus that hasn't inflicted anything close to the deaths of the seasonal flu and not one pediatric death.

It's not 5000 B.C.. We have basic mathematical tools at our disposal to tell us that this is worse than the seasonal flu in every since way.

8th grade math called wrote:

Legal Eagle wrote:

I just can't figure out people anyone. Consumed in fear and drowning in panic over a virus that hasn't inflicted anything close to the deaths of the seasonal flu and not one pediatric death.

It's not 5000 B.C.. We have basic mathematical tools at our disposal to tell us that this is worse than the seasonal flu in every since way.

Please continue. What calculations should we be looking at? People are mentioning hospital beds and ventilators numbers.

I get that the infection rate is exponentially higher than the flu, but I'm curious as to how many people are actually hospitalized in the USA? I feel like that number is probably higher than it needs to be given how Covid-19 is new to humans.

Seems there was an outbreak at the Trump National golf course in Palos Verdes, CA, a few weeks back - when we sort of knew the virus was out there, but weren't globally worried about it. 15 or so ill, quarantines, I think one or so on venitilators?

Which reminds me. As expected, the tipping point of economy vs. old white guy voters is tipping toward corporate profits, so expect not just a worsening in the hardest-hit states, but an increase in flyover areas now.

Just think what will happen when this infects a bake sale at a church in rural South Dakota now. Not a lot of ventilators around there, right? Will we blame Hillary's emails?

I can't wait until people on here argue about the accuracy of plotting results on a log scale, cause, you know, log scale is just bogus, just buying into the MSM hype, no one uses log scale anymore.

Fragemeister wrote:

rg2 wrote:

I sure hope this is a sarcastic post. If not, this is the nonsense that’s causing the panic. If you’re worried, stay at home, but don’t try to take my freedom away.

This post won’t age well. Let’s check in next week.

It’s been 2 weeks, 2500+ a day? Still waiting on that number

And he said minimum....

I guess this thread didn't age well.