We need a national lockdown. Now.

2500? Explain.

serious tom wrote:

There’s so many people out and about in the city I live in. I live in Texas.

We need to get on top of this. It’s already too late if you actually look at numbers.

They need to lock this down now. Then figure out how they’re going to enforce it as time goes on.

America is going to have 2,500+ deaths a day at minimum in 2 weeks or less.

Don’t leave the house unless you have to.

I sure hope this is a sarcastic post. If not, this is the nonsense that’s causing the panic. If you’re worried, stay at home, but don’t try to take my freedom away.

Sarcastic? You need to wake the F up.

Sounds like we need to lock down Texas, not the entire US.

The numbers uh, yes like 50 dead today. Meanwhile more people than that died in traffic accidents today. MANY more people than that died from the seasonal flu today as well. Get some perspective and stop letting the mainstream media tell you how and what to think everyday. You're embarrassing yourself.

cold facts wrote:

2500? Explain.

Doesn't seem all that crazy to me. Italy was at 800 today. Our country is about 5x bigger than Italy and we are on the same trajectory.

yes in absolutes its not outstanding. the perspective you need to gain is the healthcare system cannot handle any deviation from the normal amount of patients it services.

hospitals have resources for the flue deaths and car accidents but adding more on top of that causes the edifice to crumble.

please stay inside if for only to dampen the economic impacts. the longer this goes on the more economic misery.

birdbeard wrote:

cold facts wrote:

2500? Explain.

Doesn't seem all that crazy to me. Italy was at 800 today. Our country is about 5x bigger than Italy and we are on the same trajectory.

Wrong, we are 8 days behind Italy. 8 days ago Italy had about 250 die in a day, we would need 1500 dead today, to be equivalent. We’ve only had a total of 300. We are much lower than Italy. If we’re not up to 10,000 deaths by next weekend then there needs to be some outrage on these restrictions.

Nah, no need for a lockdown in the Heartland of America. Just let them have their Freedom until Covid 19 finishes it up.

zizek wrote:

hospitals have resources for the flue deaths and car accidents but adding more on top of that causes the edifice to crumble..

You don't think coronavirus is displacing flu deaths? I.e. these old people were going to die from flu anyway but now they're dying from coronavirus? That doesn't place a larger burden on hospitals. It's the same burden.

As of March 9, South Korea with a population of 51 million, tested 210,000 for the Wuhan virus - or about 0.4% of the population. They have been touted as the vanguard of rapid testing.

But what did this small slice of population testing really do to reduce the spread in Korea? Probably nothing. Obviously, they would not have identified any of the other 99.6% of their population that may have been infected.

Quickly closing borders from infected countries and calling for social distancing was the only thing that might influence the trajectory of the virus. The number of fatalities will also depend on the health care system and the ability to rapidly administer advanced medicines in the short term. European countries like Italy are learning about what socialized health care does to the fatality rate of elders.

More testing may help countries understand that the real numbers of fatalities are much lower than previously reported because many have minor symptoms and it could help to understand the nature of the virus, but it had no value in stopping the spread of the virus.

Developing tests to verify that you have defeated the Wuhan virus may allow people to go back to work sooner. These tests may be available in the short term and are important.

We have a number of drugs currently being used for other applications that show the ability to mitigate the severity of the Wuhan virus and significantly reduce fatalities and should be approved by the FDA as soon as possible for critical cases.

It will be interesting to see how the typical seasonal flu virus versus the Wuhan virus will compare in the US and other countries based on fatalities this year.

The vaccination for the Wuhan virus is probably a year away. But given that your seasonal flu vaccination can sometimes only be 40% effective, who knows.

You can "get on top of this", but how do you stay on top of it? This virus will be around for years. Years of shelter-in-place? At what cost to the economy? No easy answers here.

A Hungry, Violent Mob wrote:

zizek wrote:

hospitals have resources for the flue deaths and car accidents but adding more on top of that causes the edifice to crumble..

You don't think coronavirus is displacing flu deaths? I.e. these old people were going to die from flu anyway but now they're dying from coronavirus? That doesn't place a larger burden on hospitals. It's the same burden.

Same burden? Flu patients don’t need respirators and right the clock attention. They have the flu. Your hospitals are about to be swamped. Wake the f up and stop being part of the problem. Honestly these threads are not going to age well, I predict they all get deleted hastily as the situation gets overwhelmingly hellish.

Try understanding the healthcare system in Italy prior to spouting off.

im serious wrote:

Same burden? Flu patients don’t need respirators and right the clock attention. They have the flu. Your hospitals are about to be swamped. Wake the f up and stop being part of the problem. Honestly these threads are not going to age well, I predict they all get deleted hastily as the situation gets overwhelmingly hellish.

You do realize the people dying are elderly and those with preexisting conditions? Old people get pneumonia with flu and die. A lot. They get coronavirus and pneumonia and die also. Both viruses are extremely fatal to elderly. You just don't care about the flu because people are accustom to it. The flu currently causes many more deaths.

Not only is coronavirus displacing the flu deaths, but because of everyone washing their hands there probably will be LESS cases of the flu than we otherwise would have had. Thus reducing the burden on hospitals further.

The problem with taking screenshots or referencing all these posts with this sensationalized propaganda, is WHEN this is found to be a big over reaction these people aren’t going to admit that they are simple minded media controlled robots. They’re going to say well, it’s less severe then we thought because we did take the steps and lockdown the country or come up with some other excuse.

Jogger Hobby wrote:

The numbers uh, yes like 50 dead today. Meanwhile more people than that died in traffic accidents today. MANY more people than that died from the seasonal flu today as well. Get some perspective and stop letting the mainstream media tell you how and what to think everyday. You're embarrassing yourself.

Isn’t using the argument that more people die in car accidents the pure definition of embarrassing yourself?

rg2 wrote:

birdbeard wrote:

Doesn't seem all that crazy to me. Italy was at 800 today. Our country is about 5x bigger than Italy and we are on the same trajectory.

Wrong, we are 8 days behind Italy. 8 days ago Italy had about 250 die in a day, we would need 1500 dead today, to be equivalent. We’ve only had a total of 300. We are much lower than Italy. If we’re not up to 10,000 deaths by next weekend then there needs to be some outrage on these restrictions.

Most reports have the US about 11-12 days behind Italy.

It's ok to go out for a walk or run, just give people a wide berth. In my city just about every business is closed, no one is working and there are more runners about than I have ever seen. All gyms are closed so people need to get out and get air for their mental health. Given the circumstances this is a positive sign.