Guy decked out in adidas gear, ditches adidas shoes for Vaporflys. Runs WL 2:04:50 - a 4+ minute pb in 22nd marathon

like really jim wrote:

You hate Rupp - we get it. Question - what are you going to "cover" in US Distance running once Rupp retires? We literally have no one who will be able to compete on the world stage - US Distance running on the men's side will be DEAD. It's kind of like Andy Roddick in tennis (and Rupp is much better than Roddick btw) - he retired and there's not a single American relevant on the world stage. Good luck to you when this day comes....

Really? Paul Chelimo isn't relevant on the world stage? He should take us almost until the time that Sileshi Sihine and Tirunesh Dibaba's son is ready to compete. Their eldest son is almost 5. In 10 years, he shoudl be extremely relevant on the HS if not world stage.

And it will be so great as you'll be going bonkers when I refer to him as "American-born."

Let me highlight my actual thoughts on this. The following two posts nail it.

jones counter wrote:

There were A LOT of really big PBs in this race, like many guys running near enough back to back half PBs is it possible the course was short?!

and

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

Here is the deal. The shoe factor is probably worth 1:15-2:30 over the full marathon. Unlike in the past when random dudes would run 2:06-07 and we'd think that was wild, its 2:04:45-2:05:59 performances. A bunch of random Americans ran 2:10-2:12 in Chicago, if you put that to 2:12-2:14 it wouldn't be a big deal. As long as we as observers just reassess times none of this is big. A guy running 3 minutes off the World Record hasn't been that huge a deal in most eras. It's more than a 1000m behind.

Jager is a reigning silver medalist. And I really think Grijalva and Nuguse will be world class 5000 guys.

The World-Renowned wrote:

John Wesley Harding wrote:

Y’all remember Herpasa Negasa?

Yes! How about Terpasik Bergendalflink?

Hava Nagila

Earlyboy wrote:

Give me a break wrote:

Another guy, Dickson Chumba. Ran 2:04:32 in 2014 at age 27, hasn't run faster since. His best after vaporfly release was 2:05:30 in 2018, last year he only ran 2:08:44.

You were asking about some 2:09 guys. Literally the first one I look at that ran 2:09 before the vaporfly and now wears vaporfly is Edwin Koech who ran 2:09:04 in 2014, and 2:08:17 in 2015... Since starting to wear vaporfly he hasn't run a PR. He ran 2:09:44 in 2018 and 2:09:20 in 2019.

I see where you are coming from actually.

Out of curiosity do you wear Vaporflys?? What were your times over marathon before and after??

I do wear vaporflys, I ran PR's before them, I ran PR's when I started running in them in 2018, and then I've since gone to those same races and continued to run PR's the second year in vaporflys. The improvement has been steady the whole time for me, I didn't make any extra jump in the vaporflys. In fact one of the races I ran slower even though I thought my training was going really well. Give me a similar cushioned shoe that is the same weight and I'll run the same times.

Give me a break wrote:

Earlyboy wrote:

I see where you are coming from actually.

Out of curiosity do you wear Vaporflys?? What were your times over marathon before and after??

I do wear vaporflys, I ran PR's before them, I ran PR's when I started running in them in 2018, and then I've since gone to those same races and continued to run PR's the second year in vaporflys. The improvement has been steady the whole time for me, I didn't make any extra jump in the vaporflys. In fact one of the races I ran slower even though I thought my training was going really well. Give me a similar cushioned shoe that is the same weight and I'll run the same times.

Similar to me actually a steady progression, but made a massive leap the first time i wore VAPORFLYS in a marathon. I wore them on Sunday for the 2nd time but regressed, putting it down to a poorer training cycle. Also the energy return nowhere near as good after 100 miles. That was in the 4%, if i hear the Saucony Endorphins are good ill purchase them instead of the next %.

rojo, that is immature. How as the VF helped Mo Farah in the marathon?

rojo wrote:

Give me a break wrote:

Want me to find some examples of people that ran slower than their marathon PR when they started wearing vaporfly shoes?

You must really hate vaporfly's, you all constantly try to find evidence to say how they're unfair.

Hate them? I think they are amazing. I just think we need to put a huge ass asterisk next to Rupp's marathon bronze.

The only issue is that Ayenew competed in Mumbai (2019) and Dubai (2018) in VaporFlys. So the shoes are not a new thing just because he is in an adidas kit in 2020. He used to race with a Nike kit.

rojo wrote:

Give me a break wrote:

Want me to find some examples of people that ran slower than their marathon PR when they started wearing vaporfly shoes?

You must really hate vaporfly's, you all constantly try to find evidence to say how they're unfair.

Hate them? I think they are amazing. I just think we need to put a huge ass asterisk next to Rupp's marathon bronze.

To be fair, you forgot to include Eliud's gold and Lilesa's silver. Why you just want to trash your own country man when he was not the only one using the prototype shoes?

toast wrote:

Yes, VF can knock minutes off of a marathon time. So does EPO. One is legal, one is not. This is getting a bit obsessive, don't you think? Please stop it with the asterisk thing, they are legal shoes.

Maybe Rojo should get a visible tattoo in the form of an asterisk ?

My man you are exposing yourself for how little running knowledge you have making comments like “Eliud could have lost in Rio except for the shoes”

can the site founders please shut up about the vaporfly/alphaflys already? you clearly hate them and want the community on your side about it.

Yeah I agree with Rojo - an asterisk next to Rupp's marathon bronze! And the footnote would say,

"Rupp woulda won the silver if he didn't waste his energy on the 10,000"

John Wesley Harding wrote:

Y’all remember Herpasa Negasa?

Notasa thatasa Iasa recallasa.

You make it too easy Rojo - you're now resulting to imports. Low hanging fruit....

Haven’t you heard of Emil Zatopek or Alain Mimoun?