Sub 3 marathon bet

Get Pfiz faster road racing book. It has mileage build up for 10 weeks. Do that. Then follow a 12 week HM plan. Race a HM. If you clock between 1:30-1:40. Read next part. If not pay him, you can’t break sub3.

If you run between 1:30-1:40. Follow Pfiz advanced running marathon 18/55 plan. And run a fill marathon (just to see how it feels to run a FM). So you are 40weeks done here.

Take 5 weeks recovery plan as Pfitz mentioned after 18/55.

Rebuild your mileage upto 10 weeks 97km (see faster road racing).

Follow a 12 weeks HM plan. Pfitz has a 12 week plan with highest mileage at 97km. You should break 1:30 by now. Take 2 weeks recovery.

Now follow 18/70 plan from advanced road racing. And run a sub 3.

10+12+2+18+5+12+2+18=79 weeks is one and half year

Sub3bet wrote:

I had a discussion with some friends, while being a bit intoxicated, about running a sub 3 marathon. Their point of view was that it is pretty much impossible if u have not been running seriously for many years. I said that I believe its possible to reach in 1.5 years with serious training. I ended up making bet that I will run Copenhagen marathon in under 3 hours in 2021.

I am a very casual runner, I have been running 1-2 times per week for 1.5 years, never longer than 5k. Some periods I have not been running for a few weeks.

Right now I can run 5k in about 22 minutes.

Im 32 years old, male, 1.86 m height, weight is about 80 kg.

If I commit myself 100%, what are my chances?

This actually isn't a bet but a good goal. You never know, you might end up liking it and run for life. It took me 1 year of training cycles which included 3 marathons to go sub 3. I do believe I was able to do it on the 2nd but me being so excited and lack of knowledge on proper fueling during a race, I cramped up so bad and ended up with 3:0x. Went through half about 1:28ish if I can remember. Only was running about 50-55 miles a week training for the first 2. 3rd race I went up to about 70ish miles a week.

I came from a 0% running background. I'm talking about not even thinking about running. Prior to running I was seriously overweight. Once I was able to get my weight down, my first 5km was 20min on about 10-12 miles a week. Occasionally up to 15. This included a 4 mile tempo each week at about 6:30-6:40. Back then that felt like absolute death!

Prior to the sub 3 I had only ran a 1:27 half but by that time my 10k had drop to low 39min and sub 19min for 5k. Just needed to get my mileage and long runs up. I think those were key. No speedwork either. Just as short fartlek each week.

It can be done and you can be richer. Like everyone else says, ez your way into the mileage. My first marathon I used as a gauge (3:0x) . Didn't know what to expect.

If you got some talent piece of cake.

A sub 3 after a few months of solid training is possible, assuming you're moderately talented, under 40, and don't have a lot of weight to lose.

Thanks for your encouragement, I am gonna give it a serious shot.

I have just ordered a running watch that can monitor my heart rate, so I can do aerobic heart rate training for as long as I keep improving. Im gonna start with 20 km pr week, and increase 10% pr week.

When improvement stops im gonna start doing speed work.

Then im gonna buy the newest nike cheats.

Then im gonna run a half marathon in 6 months and determine my chances, and how to move forward.

I will keep u updated!

Epo won't do much at this level but you could try some testosterone to help you recover and avoid injury. Lance was on it for years and it helped him become to goat cyclists

Get 41 of the world class runners to pace you!

Sub3bet wrote:

Thanks for your encouragement, I am gonna give it a serious shot.

I have just ordered a running watch that can monitor my heart rate, so I can do aerobic heart rate training for as long as I keep improving. Im gonna start with 20 km pr week, and increase 10% pr week.

When improvement stops im gonna start doing speed work.

Then im gonna buy the newest nike cheats.

Then im gonna run a half marathon in 6 months and determine my chances, and how to move forward.

I will keep u updated!

Please forget the 10% increase. Definitely not necessary. If you run k's slow. And have multiple pairs of shoes. Go from 20 to 30k by running more times in the week. Then next to 40k but run slow.

At your age it should not be a problem to run 50k after 4weeks. Then stay at 50 for a couple weeks but increase the intensity of the runs. Day more intense, day easy.

If you feel a problem or pain just take a day off. You have time.

A few mentions of Pfitz's book which is good, I'd say start just with more time on feet and more of a basic Daniels plan. Better to run more frequent, longer and slower than jumping into full on programs right now. If you get 3 days on, one day off, 3 days on for a while you will see large progressions. Add some cross training - sled pushes, plyometrics, core, light weights/high reps etc. Stay hydrated. Get into the habit of sipping a couple ounces of a water 3-4 times per hour, if you pound 32 oz of water you will not absorb the bulk of it. Look for time and not specifically pace until you are getting up to 45min-60 min for basic runs and 90min for some long runs. Strides are a must. I'd say take a mile warmup/cooldown most days and eventually add in the speed and other work. That mile warmup/cooldown is the easiest way to increase mileage in the beginning.

Yes and no. Yes it is possible depending on your inherent talent but likely not given your motives.

If the fuel your burning is just to prove someone wrong that won't go far towards a sub 3 in the time you have.

It also depends on how far you're willing to push yourself. I went from having never run to sub 3 at NYCM in less than 6 months. (Keep in mind I cycled extensively for over 15 years)

It is worth noting that I essentially blacked out the last 3 miles and completely lost myself. Some how I held pace and finished but I was long gone. I don't think I could have gone to that dark place had it not been for myself. It was reckless and dangerous but possible and I don't think I could have done it if the motives weren't pure.

You realize you are going to spend more money on shoes, watches, race entry etc. than you would just going up on the bet right?

That said, this is very doable for a youngish athletic person.

Free_the_thigh wrote:

I went from 4:20 to 3:20 to 3:14 (but was on pace for sub 3 till 25k, so likely closer to a 3:10/3:05 in terms of pure fitness)

Do yourself a favor and don't repeat this to anyone again. It's embarassing.

Maybe? wrote:

Yes and no. Yes it is possible depending on your inherent talent but likely not given your motives.

If the fuel your burning is just to prove someone wrong that won't go far towards a sub 3 in the time you have.

It also depends on how far you're willing to push yourself. I went from having never run to sub 3 at NYCM in less than 6 months. (Keep in mind I cycled extensively for over 15 years)

It is worth noting that I essentially blacked out the last 3 miles and completely lost myself. Some how I held pace and finished but I was long gone. I don't think I could have gone to that dark place had it not been for myself. It was reckless and dangerous but possible and I don't think I could have done it if the motives weren't pure.

Serious question: is this a true story, or a subtle Lance Armstrong dig?

(If it's the former, I'm not questioning your motives, and certainly not calling you a doper. I'm impressed by your finish, and wish I had that time. Just between the cycling, and NYCM, and psychological depths, I have to ask if this is a Lance callout.)

sub 3 hour marathon is easy. That's just under 7:00/mile.

highhoppingworm wrote:

You realize you are going to spend more money on shoes, watches, race entry etc. than you would just going up on the bet right?

That said, this is very doable for a youngish athletic person.

I believe I will make a small profit, 100$ for a pulse watch, 300$ for Nike vaporfly 4%, then the race entry. Maybe thats 500$? My hourly pay will be terrible though.

Thats why I only buy the watch now, I have running shoes all ready, I will only buy the shoes once im confident that I can do it. So maybe I will never buy them.

Sub3bet wrote:

highhoppingworm wrote:

You realize you are going to spend more money on shoes, watches, race entry etc. than you would just going up on the bet right?

That said, this is very doable for a youngish athletic person.

I believe I will make a small profit, 100$ for a pulse watch, 300$ for Nike vaporfly 4%, then the race entry. Maybe thats 500$? My hourly pay will be terrible though.

Thats why I only buy the watch now, I have running shoes all ready, I will only buy the shoes once im confident that I can do it. So maybe I will never buy them.

Don't forget that for training you need a least 3 or 4 pairs of shoes. They only last 600k with your weight. A bit of serious training and every 2 months you need a new pair. To keep shoes in good shape they need rest. So need multiple pairs.

Don't forget sub 40 10k is a serious hobby jogger time to start with. You forget the extra food when getting to +100k a week.

I don't think it's a Lance call-out. Lance had a decent running background (triathlon and hs). Idk if he intends to run another marathon, but it's fun watching him train and compete in the charity events.

This is delusional. Over a year and a half of marathon training you will go through many pairs of shoes, have to purchase running clothes that allow you to train in different seasons and will also have to do multiple races with potential hotel stays to have a legit shot at this.

You aren’t going to spend $500 on running over the next 1.5 years and run a sub 3 marathon.

Call me a purist, but am I the only one bothered by the fact this dude is willing to take EPO to win a bet?

achukumba wrote:

Call me a purist, but am I the only one bothered by the fact this dude is willing to take EPO to win a bet?

So all the running records are doped... what is your point.

Do you drink coffee or eat beetroot or.. so you walk the thin line and that is okay?