Looking to get a D1 Scholly

high school xc coach wrote:

I am going to start referring to the 3200 as "the deuce" when I'm talking to my runners. haha. this should give me uber credibility with the 16 year old crowd.

Believe me this will give you total street cred with your high schoolers.

I’d love to run for Sconnie. Madison is one of the most beautiful cities I’ve ever been to but the problem is they are really good and I don’t know if I can get them interested in me as a junior.

I’m on break so I’ve been dropping notes to coaches over break to put them on notice of my intentions so they can keep an eye out for me as I’m going for sub 9:10 and sub 4:15 this track season. I’ll be sending follow-up notice after track season so they can see I’m for real.

Most of their guys are sub 9.

Did some research. Some truth here. Here are some P5 runners that raced at NCAA XC Regionals this Fall in the Top 7. This is just from the Mountain Region, as I give up, you can run 4:30s and under 9:40 in high school and make Top 7 at any P5 program, so to think otherwise is foolish -

Mountain Region

1:59/4:23/9:22

4:18/9:30

4:22/9:17

2:01/4:25/9:26

2:00/4:33

4:30/9:37

Purdue Top 7 at NCAA Regionals... you guys keep embarrassing yourselves.

4:24/9:22

No you can't. You need to spend the night going through the Great Lakes and Midwest Regionals and find how many hundreds of guys ran sub 9:20 in high school and did not make the top 7 for their team at regionals. Then check how many teams do not even have a 9:20 guy on the roster. Check Iowa State or Wisconsin or several others. My son ran 9:08 in high school and is a junior but was not fast enough to make top 7 of a team that did not qualify for nationals.

tffrs wrote:

Did some research. Some truth here. Here are some P5 runners that raced at NCAA XC Regionals this Fall in the Top 7. This is just from the Mountain Region, as I give up, you can run 4:30s and under 9:40 in high school and make Top 7 at any P5 program, so to think otherwise is foolish -

Mountain Region

1:59/4:23/9:22

4:18/9:30

4:22/9:17

2:01/4:25/9:26

2:00/4:33

4:30/9:37

yea ill echo your thoughts. My experience running collegiate (sun belt school) was that it was more about work ethic and willingness to do the little things right (where I went wrong the last two years). Obviously you need to have some sort of decent base/natural talent (where the 4:30/9:40 mark is coming from) to make it at these big programs but you can definitely be competitive as long as your willing to buy into the program. Now as far as getting scholarship offers from a big program go you definitely need to be down where youre aiming for at minimum to get any serious money offers.

I will say this don't be quick to ignore smaller programs. For me it was either go to Texas AM and not run or go to where I did (much smaller than A&M) and run. I loved every second of being at a smaller school (even outside of running). I was able to get more individualized instruction from professors and it was easier to make friends outside of the team.

Can you list the HS PRs of Purdue's roster to include XC? I have a feeling that they have some 9 flat guys who did not make the travel squad and the one isolated guy at 9:22 probably ran 15:30 in XC.

Purdue has 2 sub 9 high school guys who did not make top 7. Most of you former D3 guys have no clue how fast D 1 guys really are. There are former 8:50 and 4:05 high school runners not fast enough to make the travel squad at average P5 schools. Check Iowa State or Wisconsin or Stanford to see how many sub 9 guys will never get to compete.

I know a guy that is on that team and their coach told him 1:55 800, 4:18 1600, 9:22 3200 and/or All State level cross country level runner in the State of Indiana which is top 25 with no classes in the state of Indiana to just be on the team. Scholarship standards are 1:51, 4:10, 9:04 or State Champ in Indiana or National Qualifier in XC

Heres the Purdue Roster High School PRs with 800,1600,3200 and XC and what state they're from

Jaret Carpenter: 1:54 800,4:04 1600,8:59 3200, 14:58 XC - Minnesota

Curtis Eckstein: 9:08 3200, 14:35 XC - Indiana

Brody Smith: 1:53 800,4:07 1600,8:55 3200, 15:17 XC - Wyoming

Tyler Bowling: Didnt make the team till sophomore year and had to tryout for the team so he wasn't recruited out of high school - Indiana

Andrew Brandt: 4:14 1600,9:14 3200, 15:15 XC - Minnesota

Alec Fleming: 9:10 3200,15:25 XC - Indiana

Kyle Griffith: 4:12 1600, 15:28 5K - Illinois

Ian Hunter: 4:18 1600,9:14 3200,15:12 XC - Indiana

Bryce Hutchinson: 4:22 1600,9:26 3200,15:54 XC - Alabama

Bailey Mcintire: 4:19 1600,9:10 3200,15:24 XC - Indiana

John Pieper: 4:21 1600,16:03 XC - Michigan

Ryan Ruppert: 4:17 1600,9:07 3200,15:50 XC - Indiana

Blake Selm: 9:22 3200,16:02 XC - Missouri

Ian Shaw: 4:18 1600,9:09 3200,15:22 XC - Indiana

Luke Upton: 1:55 800,4:20 1600,15:31 XC - Indiana

Will White: 9:14 3200,15:52 XC - Indiana

So the coach basically took a chance on Hutchinson and Pieper cause on paper they didn't hit the standards even though they both were awfuly close. Looks like 13/15 people on the team hit at least one of those standards from the coach.

Pretty standard to make a P5 team regardless what people want to believe. They have several 9:1x guys who didn't even make the travel squad. This is a team who only finished 4th in the conference. Pull up Iowa State or Wisconsin if you want to see truely elite rosters. They won't even talk to you unless a state champ or sub 9:10.

Not fast enough wrote:

No you can't. You need to spend the night going through the Great Lakes and Midwest Regionals and find how many hundreds of guys ran sub 9:20 in high school and did not make the top 7 for their team at regionals. Then check how many teams do not even have a 9:20 guy on the roster. Check Iowa State or Wisconsin or several others. My son ran 9:08 in high school and is a junior but was not fast enough to make top 7 of a team that did not qualify for nationals.

You are measuring completely different things from the poster you are replying to. There are guys who are fast in high school, like your son, who do not thrive. There are also guys who were not nearly as fast who improve greatly. To point out one is not to negate the other.

6/16 of the Purdue team are true Freshman who redshirted this past fall and they usually do that with every true Freshman unless you were elite like Jaret Carpenter, Curtis Eckstein or Brody Smith good out of high school. Doing that with the true Freshman gives the other 10 guys on the team a shot to compete at meets like the big ten championships, nationals other meets. Thats what makes the small roster at Purdue a really good thing, with only 10 guys basically competing for 9 spots at the Big ten championships and 7 at the regional and national meets. You would like your chances to travel and compete in your one of those 9:1x upperclassmen.

Purdue also got 1st at the regional meet and 11th at the national meet which was 2nd for big ten teams to only Michigan.

You submit your GPA and ACT when filling out questionnaire. Need to keep team GPA up. Could be 35 ACTs.

Who are the true Freshman on Purdue this year?

Scholar Expert wrote:

Pretty standard to make a P5 team regardless what people want to believe. They have several 9:1x guys who didn't even make the travel squad. This is a team who only finished 4th in the conference. Pull up Iowa State or Wisconsin if you want to see truely elite rosters. They won't even talk to you unless a state champ or sub 9:10.

Wisconsin ran a guy with 4:16/9:22 PRs on their nationals team in 2018.

Brandt

Ruppert

Shaw

Upton

Hutchinson

White are the redshirted Freshman this fall