***--------------------DIVISION 3 MENS CROSS COUNTRY TEAM PREVIEW--------------------***

lsdjfl;asdkjfl;asdrulmnsldfasd wrote:

Well, f*** d3. Fuck all you slow ass motherf***ers. About 4 people in the history of d3 have been worth a shit, and none of you are it. Fuck d3 and f*** you.

Yuot would be All American in D1....so you're wrong

haha, f*** that. i feel bad for the guys in their region and conference.

Here it is, the order of finish for this year's D3 Cross Country Championship. Feel free to argue, debate, trash, correct, amend, addend, etc. The formatting is a bit strange, but it should be Athlete/Year/2004 National Place/2004 Regional Place/2005 Outdoor Marks. Times listed are 1500/Steeple/5k/10k (those I could find).

1 Wisc. La Crosse

Last year: 3rd NCAA, 1st Midwest Regional

Returnees Nat/Reg 2005 Outdoor Marks

S.Mueller SO 82/23 14:32/30:11

N.Hoffman SE 173/11 15:07/30:44

M.Herlihy SE 41/39 9:09/15:12

M.Creger SE 37/18 3:59

J.Sheldon JU 60/17 ?

J.Heitzman JU 14:53/31:46

D.Thour SO 14:57

J.Parejko JU 15:08/32:14

S.Schmick SE 15:19/32:06

Strong and deep, La Crosse is the no-brainer favorite to win it all.

2 Haverford

Last Year: 4th NCAA, 1st Mideast Regional

Returnees Nat/Reg 2005 Outdoor Marks

W.McGuire SE 36/8 14:33

G.Scott SE 40/6 3:55/9:08/15:12

I.R-North JU 43/13 3:58/9:12/15:19

Z.Vaslow JU 94/15 14:56/31:01

D.Letts SO 106/27 15:09

B.Muller SE 15:23/31:35

B.Upholt SE 15:14

J.Jablin SO 15:17

Finished close to La Crosse at Jim Drews and Nationals last season. Returns top 3 and 5 of their top 7. Will be at Jim Drews again on Oct 15 pre-national showdown with Lacrosse.

3 Calvin

Last Year: 1st NCAA, 1st Great Lakes Regional

Returnees Nat/Reg 2005 Outdoor Marks

T.Finnegan JU 28/6 14:30/30:06

B.Reynolds SO 90/11 14:47/32:54

D.MacKay SO 15:09/31:57

B.Hammer SO 107/18 15:21

T.Zwagerman SE 3:59/15:16

H.Jorritsma SE 9:28

The two-time defending champs graduated 4 of their top 5 but should still take a place on the podium.

4 North Central

Last Year: 5th NCAA, 1st Midwest Regional

Returnees Nat/Reg 2005 Outdoor Marks

N.Hird SE 62/24 14:55

C.Bosworth SE 49/33 15:12/31:31

A.Hubner SE 124/27 3:52/15:17

D.Rodriguez JU 105/- 3:53/15:25

B.Lesiewicz SO -/53 15:08

R.Hopkins SE 3:54/15:31

J.Wunning SE 3:58

Podium mainstays have finished outside of the 4th just once in the last 30 years.

5 Nebraska Wesleyan

Last Year: 11th NCAA, 4th Central Region

Returnees Nat/Reg 2005 Outdoor Marks

C.Dunker SO 38/6 15:24

A.Dye SE 44/9 3:50/15:21

C.Dye SE 69/7 9:10/15:07

E.Evert SE 214/- 4:10

L.Ashley SE 9:22/15:11/30:49

C.Waite JU? 72(D2) 14:44(2004)

J.Lana SO -/95 16:24

Last year was a down one for NWU, but they return their top three, redshirting Levi Ashley (AA in '04) and add Cody Waite from Div. II Western (if the rumors are true). Strong up top but not deep.

6 Willamette

Last Year: 5th NCAA, 1st West Region

Returnees Nat/Reg 2005 Outdoor Marks

N.Symmonds JU 84/16 3:46

T.Harris JU 64/12 14:57

C.Ruiz SE? 80/18 15:19

I.Batch SO 74/10 ?

W.Boyd JU 15:18

J.Edson SE? 15:22

J.Vieyra JU 3:57

B.Leipzig JU 15:29

D.Neill SO 4:00

Could very well sneak up onto the podium, particularly if Symmonds figures out this cross country thing. I'm unsure whether Ruiz or Edson have used their eligibility or if they haven't, if they plan on competing.

7 Tufts

Last Year: 6th NCAA, 1st New England Region

Returnees Nat/Reg 2005 Outdoor Marks

J.Kennedy JU 32/7 14:57

M.Fortin SE 66/18 3:58/9:25/15:00

M.Lacey SE 68/6 3:57/9:13/14:19/30:04

C.Kantos SO 136/38 ?

J.Chung JU 15:26

Tufts has solid top 3, but may not have the depth to contend for the national title.

8 Wisc. Platteville

Last Year: 17th NCAA, 5th Midwest Region

Returnees Nat/Reg 2005 Outdoor Marks

T.Sigl SO 14/8 3:55/14:46/30:18

R.Goessl JU 123/32 9:21/15:12

B.Dillis SE 128/37 4:09/15:56

K.Stangel JU 131/41 3:52/15:09

N.Fulton SO 143/58 9:50/32:37

B.Scott SE 179/90 ?

J.Leuck SE 198/89 15:48

A.Scudder JU 15:40

Returning everyone from last year, Platteville should be the number 2 team in the WIAC this year.

9 Williams

Last Year: 9th NCAA, 2nd New England Regional

Returnees Nat/Reg 2005 Outdoor Marks

N.Holtshulte SE 2nd/2 14:37/30:18

S.Wills SE 76/12 9:21

C.Ellis-Ferrera JU 119/28 ?

C.Levin SO 159/31 32:53

B.Ference JU 195/69 3:56

M.Seybert SO 201/75 32:08

M.Davidian SE 3:56

A.Stevenson SE 15:51/32:33

J.Clayton SO 15:38

Deeper than Tufts, but probably doesn't have enough in the 2-3 spots to take their New England rival. Can Holtshulte win it all?

10 New York U

Last Year: 23rd NCAA, 3rd Atlantic Region

Returnees Nat/Reg 2005 Outdoor Marks

W.Kraska SE 168/14 4:05

R.Williams SO 153/23 3:57/14:51

H.Abdallah SO 160/24 15:08/30:33

B.Buechel SE? 188/25 9:32

R.Pierpont JU 141/36 ?

S.Popeson SO 15:31/32:40

J.McCarthy SO 4:02/15:26

I had a hard time finding a worthy tenth team, with Grinnell, Carleton, Steven's PT, Wartburg, Hamline, and St.Olaf, among others, warranting consideration. NYU was awful at NCAAs last fall, but they seem to be a program on the rise and Williams and Abdullah made big strides last spring.

Before this thread gets taken over by the inevitable DIII v. DI debate, I'll just throw out a few corrections to the Williams squad.

9 Williams

Last Year: 9th NCAA, 2nd New England Regional

Returnees Nat/Reg 2005 Outdoor Marks

N.Holtshulte SE 2nd/2 14:37/30:18

S.Wills JU 76/12 9:21

C.Ellis-Ferrera JU 119/28 ?

C.Levin SO 159/31 32:34, 15:37

B.Ference JU 195/69 3:56

M.Seybert SO 201/75 32:08

M.Davitian JU 3:52

A.Stevenson JU 15:35/32:33

J.Clayton SO 15:38

Look for Cortland men to make an impact this year. Not top 5, maybe top 10, but at least top 15. I'm not joking. New coach lots of talent, they may be the best mens team ever at Cortland.

10th NYU?? i can guarantee WashU or UChicago ahead of them.

NCC has a sophomore who transfered in last year that has been doing amazing things this summer. He will crack the top seven for sure!

who is the soph transfer at NCC?...

NCC will finish top 3. They tend to be much stronger in XC than track...as history has shown. A 15:15 guy on that team is usually top 40 in XC. I speak from experience.

UChicago has some good freshmen coming in.

U Chicago has who? Names and stats please.

Normally I'd wonder where SUNY Geneseo is on that list, but seeing as they lost Turner (3:59/14:22/30:07), Beck(Boilermaker 15k 49:03, 9:15ish steeple) and Casey (9:07 steep, 8:24 3k) I can see how they wouldn't be expected to do much.

How about Individuals- who is going to be All American this year? Who are the best recruits?

How do you figure Cortland to be that good? They graduate (or have no remaining eligibility) Terry, Borg, Lynch, Crowley and Horan AND Cloke is not running XC. That leaves Joslyn as their lone returner from their top 7. I'll agree, they are getting a few talented freshman, but not that talented and not that many.

As for NYU, they always have good runners, do well early in the season and they choke at NCAAs.

Keene is going to be awesome they only lose bridgewater

Keene is on the decline. No top ten for them again this year. Sad, as they used to be a great program.

The TUXC team of 2004 had the most successful season in the program’s history. The Triple Crown (NESCAC, ECAC, and Regional Championships) was defended for a second consecutive year and the team placed 6th at Nationals, its highest finish ever. On top of this was the accomplishment of Josh Kennedy who finished 32nd at Nationals, earning All-American recognition.

However, despite all of this success, the Tufts Cross Country team of 2005 looks to make this upcoming fall a banner year. Key losses from the varsity seven include Nate Brigham, Brian McNamara, and Peter Bromka along with other key members including Dan Wolchonok, Aaron Kaye, and Mike Don. In the face of such departures, the TUXC team of 2005 has a core lineup of 6 members with experience at Nationals, lead by a strong senior class.

Those returning with championship experience include: Co-Captains Matthew Lacey and Matthew Fortin, seniors Kyle Doran and Neil Orfield, junior Josh Kennedy, and sophomore Chris Kantos.

The goals of the team remain the same as last year:

1. Repeat the Triple Crown for a third consecutive year

2. Earn a podium finish (Top 4) at nationals

Relying on another strong base building summer, the members of TUXC ’05 will see the first results of their training at the very casual alumni run hosted at the hilly Grafton farm course. Building off this “race” the team shall begin an exciting training schedule devised by the Co-Coaches Hob Brooks and Ethan Barron. These two have assisted and looked over the program for years and are ready to take command with the retirement of long time coach Connie Putnam.

This year the team hopes to take another step forward with a trip to a major invitational. Here the team will be able to face some of the division’s leading teams including Haverford, which will allow those in attendance to gain high end race experience.

On a more regional level, the main rival for the team remains the Ephs of Williams College, which will reload after the loss of some of their key seniors. The ECAC race, a true test of team depth, will also be determined by these same two teams as it has the past 2 years.

The problem with losing "just" Bridgewater is that Keene was neither strong nor deep after him last year. At regionals, their number 2 was 50 seconds behind him.

Returning, they have Gough (9:17 Steep), Ard (15:20/32:25), Haley (15:22), and Hegarty (15:24).

Concievably, they can pack it up and put their top 5 all in the 80-100 range at Nationals, but theat's pretty unlikely. A lot of teams have 15:20something 5k guys. Without anyone who looks like an All-American, it's hard to see them finishing in the top 10.

I don't agree with the NYU pick, but atleast they have two guys that look like possible all-americans (Williams-14:51 and Abdallah-30:33).

What's up with the Tufts coach posting their fall press release? I'm sure everyone here is impressed by their "hilly Grafton farm course."

Here are the top 40 returners from last year's championship w/ track times.

1 Neal Holtschulte, Jr 24:41.8 Williams College 14:28, 30:05

2 Mike Sawicki, Jr 24:43.4 Otterbein College 14:28, 30:12

3 Crosby Freeman, Jr 24:48.8 Pomona-Pitzer 14:44

4 Aaron Johnston-Peck, So 24:49.5 Case Western Reserve inj.

5 Gary Garcia, Jr 24:54.1 Wisconsin Whitewater 14:29

6 Tyler Sigl, Fr 25:04.9 Wisconsin Platteville 14:40, 30:18

7 Weston Fuhrman, Jr 25:10.5 Wesleyan Univ (CT) 14:48

8 Dana Irrer, Jr 25:12.5 Carnegie Mellon 3:56, 8:27

9 Macharia Yuot, So 25:12.9 Widener University 3:52, 9:05, 14:17, 29:21

10 Zach Barr, Jr 25:13.5 Monmouth College(Ill) 3:53, 8:56

11 Tim Finnegan, So 25:13.8 Calvin College 14:30, 30:06

12 Josh Kennedy, So 25:16.3 Tufts University 14:57

13 Frank Prince, Jr 25:16.5 Univ of Puget Sound 30:44

14 William Mc Guire, Jr 25:17.3 Haverford College 14:33

15 Mark Creger, Jr 25:19.9 Wisconsin La Crosse

16 Chris Dunker, Fr 25:20.4 Nebraska Wesleyan

17 Grant Scott, Jr 25:23.3 Haverford College 3:55, 9:08

18 Mike Herlihy, Jr 25:23.4 Wisconsin La Crosse 4:14y, 9:09

19 Kiran Moorty, So 25:25.2 Colorado College

20 Ian Ramsey-North, So 25:25.3 Haverford College 9:12, 8:31

21 Aaron Dye, Jr 25:25.6 Nebraska Wesleyan 3:50

22 Nick End, Jr 25:25.8 Carnegie Mellon 14:48, 31:08

23 Steve Harris, Jr 25:27.9 Carleton College

24 Dan Johnson, Jr 25:28.5 Bates College

25 Chris Bosworth, Jr 25:29.3 North Central College 31:06

26 Mike Flint, So 25:32.0 Coast Guard Academy 1:52, 3:56

27 Douglas Blackburn, Jr 25:34.3 Whitworth College

28 Greg Reindl, Jr 25:34.7 Washington (Missouri) 3:51

29 Matt Liebal, So 25:35.2 Dickinson College 30:52

30 Paul Hugus, Jr 25:36.0 McDaniel College

31 Jake Sheldon, So 25:36.9 Wisconsin La Crosse

32 Keith Solverson, Jr 25:37.4 Wartburg College 4:16y

33 Nick Hird, So 25:37.6 North Central College 14:29, 30:31

34 Travis Harris, So 25:39.0 Willamette University 14:57

35 Jon French, Jr 25:39.7 St. Lawrence

36 Matthew Fortin, Jr 25:39.9 Tufts University 4:16y, 9:25

37 Jeffrey Metzdorff, Jr 25:40.4 Hamline University 14:41, 30:19

38 Matthew Lacey, Jr 25:40.4 Tufts University 14:19, 30:04

39 Craig Dye, Jr 25:41.5 Nebraska Wesleyan 9:10

40 Christopher Parks, So 25:42.1 Merchant Marine Acad

24 Dan Johnson, Jr 25:28.5 Bates College 15:02, 3:57