Can someone relatively succinctly explain to me why Brexit is so bad?

Akmeden wrote:

Wes1 wrote:

The USA has a bigger nominal economy than the EU despite having nearly 200 million less people. Why wouldn't Europe want to become more like the US? The purpose of the EU was to make doing business across hundreds of miles easy like it is in the US. I don't see why UK nationalism is good reason to forgo that.

You can't expect countries that have existed for more than one thousand year to dissolve themselves into a souless entity led by bureaucrats to "ease" trade. This is delusion to the highest level. There is little in common between France and Poland, UK and Greece or Spain and Romania.

Yes, that's how it currently is. Why shouldn't Europeans try to erase those differences, have countries intigrate, and become more like the US?

yes..... wrote:

Jeez, the UK isn't part of Schengen. There are border controls here. You have been reading some weird sites.

I know that UK is out of Schengen and out of the Euro, so they don't share all of the burden that some countries have. But they still have all the others policies.

Freedom of movement still exist within the European Union. If 10 millions of europeans wanted to go to the UK and live there, they would not be able to say no. They have no control of their own immigration policy inside of Europe. That''s what I said by border and immigration control.

I can’t tell if you’re in Kentucky or Kaliningrad but that’s comedy gold.

Wes1 wrote:

Akmeden wrote:

You can't expect countries that have existed for more than one thousand year to dissolve themselves into a souless entity led by bureaucrats to "ease" trade. This is delusion to the highest level. There is little in common between France and Poland, UK and Greece or Spain and Romania.

Yes, that's how it currently is. Why shouldn't Europeans try to erase those differences, have countries intigrate, and become more like the US?

You're giving control of erasing those differences to the very same elites who promote them. The EU is a system of control. Abolish your monarchies and arm yourselves if you want to be more like the US.

The people saying Brexit is the end of the world are the same people that said Trump would be a disaster.

Wes1 wrote:

Akmeden wrote:

You can't expect countries that have existed for more than one thousand year to dissolve themselves into a souless entity led by bureaucrats to "ease" trade. This is delusion to the highest level. There is little in common between France and Poland, UK and Greece or Spain and Romania.

Yes, that's how it currently is. Why shouldn't Europeans try to erase those differences, have countries intigrate, and become more like the US?

Why the USA is not erasing its difference with Mexico, Canada, Cuba, Brazil and Chili, submit to foreign enacted laws, open their border, and pay the bills to developp other countries?

Ciro wrote:

I can’t tell if you’re in Kentucky or Kaliningrad but that’s comedy gold.

It sounds like the subject matter is getting difficult for you.

at least a little freedom wrote:

Wes1 wrote:

Yes, that's how it currently is. Why shouldn't Europeans try to erase those differences, have countries intigrate, and become more like the US?

You're giving control of erasing those differences to the very same elites who promote them. The EU is a system of control. Abolish your monarchies and arm yourselves if you want to be more like the US.

By the way,,"Erasing differences" sounds a like a former soviet project with the USSR absorbing tons of other countries.

at least a little freedom wrote:

Wes1 wrote:

Yes, that's how it currently is. Why shouldn't Europeans try to erase those differences, have countries intigrate, and become more like the US?

You're giving control of erasing those differences to the very same elites who promote them. The EU is a system of control. Abolish your monarchies and arm yourselves if you want to be more like the US.

Speaking of elites...

is this different from the rest of the european elites?

Akmeden wrote:

Ciro wrote:

This, lots of straw man arguments from American pro Brexit fan boys, but the above is correct.

The above is completely wrong. European union started as a trade project and now is a political project with the end goal of absorving all the states into a super supranational entity.

Nobody choose this. The European union must be rolled back. Do you figure they try to impose sanctions on countries which don't want refugees? They force countries to open up market like energy to competition, leading to price increase. They let companies from other countries inside Europe taking markets with their low wages workers.

The European union has a lot of bad resultats, and a few good results. Overall it's not worth it. If the UK is successfull outside the European Union as I suspect , the dominoes will start to fall.

Actually, people do choose it. That's why people vote for MEPs to approve/reject laws. The UK also has a veto, which it will lose, so will have little power to influence the EU, yet still be it's largest trading partner.

There is nothing to suggest Energy prices will drop with a Brexit.

Brexit is bad because you can't spell "Kumbaya" without a "U" and a "K"

at least a little freedom wrote:

is this different from the rest of the european elites?

I’m not taking lectures on elites from anyone propping up a bunch of ex Eton Tories.

Ciro wrote:

at least a little freedom wrote:

is this different from the rest of the european elites?

I’m not taking lectures on elites from anyone propping up a bunch of ex Eton Tories.

i was asking a question that i don't know the answer to. feel free to not reply if you don't want to answer

Akmeden wrote:

yes..... wrote:

Jeez, the UK isn't part of Schengen. There are border controls here. You have been reading some weird sites.

I know that UK is out of Schengen and out of the Euro, so they don't share all of the burden that some countries have. But they still have all the others policies.

Freedom of movement still exist within the European Union. If 10 millions of europeans wanted to go to the UK and live there, they would not be able to say no. They have no control of their own immigration policy inside of Europe. That''s what I said by border and immigration control.

Well if you know the UK is out of Schengen, you wouldn't argue with nonsense about Syrians coming via other EU countries and not having a border.

But, yes, you are correct, if an EU member wants to come and work in the UK, they are entitled to. If they don't work and have no means to provide for themselves, after 3 months they can be kicked out. But also the same for the UK, we can go and live and work there, as many do.

yes.... wrote:

Actually, people do choose it. That's why people vote for MEPs to approve/reject laws. The UK also has a veto, which it will lose, so will have little power to influence the EU, yet still be it's largest trading partner.

There is nothing to suggest Energy prices will drop with a Brexit.

In the UK, there was a vote I believe, direct, without any MEPs to stand in the way. Leave or Remain. Leave won I believe.

For energy I was talking about an exemple in France. The market was a monopoly by a public owned company (EDF) which produced cheap electricity (with nuclear reactors). They decided to open the market to competition to obey european free market dogma, it was an european order. But the energy was still cheaper than the competition, who could not compete against regulated prices and nuclear production. So they deregulated the prices, forced EDF to sold cheap energy to other competitors so they could compete with it, all the prices went up since no regulations kept it low.

They basically decided to open a market that did not need any competition and increased the price for all the customers. That's how stupid the european ultra liberal ideology is.

at least a little freedom wrote:

Ciro wrote:

I’m not taking lectures on elites from anyone propping up a bunch of ex Eton Tories.

i was asking a question that i don't know the answer to. feel free to not reply if you don't want to answer

I do not know the answer for every other European country. Maybe someone else does. I

But my point does undermine the original post I responded to implying that pro EU was elitist. It’s not necessarily all one way.

This is basic economics. Look up what comparative advantage means. People can't grasp the difference between absolute advantage and comparative advantage. The same dumb reasoning is behind Trump's import taxes and other protectionism. The sad result is that import taxes and other trade barriers always lead to economic loss, it's a simple fact of mathematics. In a free economic space without too many barriers, such as the EU, the comparative advantage is always much higher hence when UK departs from Brexit it will lose economic value.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol4NexZ0iII

Problem is still energy companies have a monopoly. Either way, I don't see how Brexit will change energy prices, or am I missing something. Energy prices sure aren't going to drop after Brexit, most likely the opposite.