Can someone relatively succinctly explain to me why Brexit is so bad?

The problem with this logic, is that it's the case that the UK is strong BECAUSE it's in the EU. Remove that, and you have lost one of the main strengths, and why many invest here.

Basically all the investment in the UK has dried up, lots of manufacturing, e.g cars is moving elsewhere. Even the Brexit supporters are moving their funds elsewhere, and businesses elsewhere, and this is BEFORE we have even left.

Why would you make it more difficult to trade with your neighbours, why screw up your largest export partners (46% I think). It makes absolutely no sense. If you want to trade with the EU, you have to follow their regulations anyway! So whilst Brexiters will claim there will be less regulations, there will be more.

The problem with the Brexit supporters, is that they constantly think the UK can bargain from a position of strength, when as we've seen with negotiations, we're negotiating from complete weakness. The EU can take the hit, it's only a small proportion of their trade, but to us, it's huge.

Then there's the problem of the UK itself. It's now fragmenting, and probably the end of the UK itself. Northern Ireland is in a weird place, and Scotland will have a referendum and leave the UK, and rejoin the EU. Why would anyone invest here.

Ultimately we're hitting the same problem as the U.S with Trump. Media having too much power, and politics just always being a simple divisive 2 way split, when the issues aren't that simple. Now we have Johnson, a complete idiot in control.

Now, I suspect it won't be as doom and gloom as some say. People are pragmatic when it comes to business, but the UK will have to go through some very lean and hard times in the near future.

This pretty much nails it.

Plus a proportion of the people that voted leave voted so because they wrongly believe it will “stop all the foreigners coming to the uk and stealing our benefits”. Instead of educating themselves before the referendum people were allowing themselves to be led by ignorant beliefs and a certain amount of racism, I know this doesn’t apply to all but even if it was a single digit percentage it would have swung the result the other way.

It looks as though this whole saga will drag well into 2020 with an election now called and a high possibility of a hung parliament as a result.

Much of the UK’s operating environment is regulated, and this regulation stems from the EU. So, such things as environmental controls, workers rights, human rights, fishing quotas, farming subsidies etc.

We also trade friction free with the EU.

We also have freedom of movement between EU countries, in layman’s terms - no visas and we can go and work in other eu member states (largely).

Not being in the EU means an end to all of the above. The costs of which are estimated to be a cost of £70bn to the UK economy.

On a practical level, a majority government could change the annual holiday entitlement workers get by law, they could reduce maternity pay, they could put in place the ability for employers to fire people with no notice. They could enter into trade deals with the US and start importing in GM crops and chlorinated chicken.

Brexit isn’t too bad as long as there is a deal that includes protections for most of the above (which is what the left want), the Centre want to stay in Europe, and the right want to leave without a deal and have the country running for the sole benefit of billionaires.

Ultimately, the UK is pretty fuc*ed. We’ve normally voted on policy: left/Centre/right and green. People are going to vote in the next election based purely on whether we stay in Europe. Which is actually a load of nonsense.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uovt1sC3rtM

And this sums up why the leave vote one, mostly.

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Itll be especially bad with Boris the booze at the helm. Dark days ahead.

Brexit is not bad, it's is very good and it is a golden opportunity for the UK and the rest of the Europe.

I feel like the british politicians who are opposed to Brexit don't like their country anymore. They have switched their allegiance, they are now more "european union" citizen than British citizens and have been brainwashed by liberal ideologies. It show how dangerous the european union is for the individual countries members. It's like the USSR because it want to replace the national identities and destroy the country as a end goal in a "ever closer relationship".

The british politicians opposed to Brexit are against the United Kingdom and for a federal state which would be called the United State of Europe.

The other pro european union elites don't want the UK to leave the EU because a successful Brexit will lead into other countries wanting to leave the European Union and would be the beginning of the end of this monstruous federal project.

Great post Yes...

Hits the nail on the head.

As someone from Northern Ireland, Brexit could be completely catastrophic to the relative stability in Ireland we have had for only 25 years. The key aspect of the peace process is that people here can be either British or Irish, with almost no barriers to having one, the other or even citizenship of both. This is possible because the border in Ireland basically doesn't exist at the moment. You can travel between North and South without even realising. If Brexit occurs the way some want it (Farage's maniacs, Tory hard-right disaster capitalists), there will be checks at the border.

These checks are not only a logistical nightmare (there are hundreds of small and large crossings, some which intersect properties, even the middle of roads) but will be extremely unpopular with over half the population and believe will lead to increased paramilitary activity on both sides.

Akmaden,

You must be as drunk as Boris the booze.

Akmeden hits all the completely false Brexit cult member talking points here. Well done

Talking points wrote:

Akmeden hits all the completely false Brexit cult member talking points here. Well done

I don't hit anything, it's my thought. I am not British but for another european country an I look forward to UK exiting the European Union, staying highly successful and setting the exemple.

The pro european union talking points are bullshit. Apparently you should thank it for wealth and peace as if it has anything to do with it. If anything, it brought wealth to Germany and eastern countries, and costed France, Italy and the UK a lot of money with ultra liberal and capitalist policies.

Forget the economy, forget the dubious peace argument. The end goal of this european project is to destroy individuals countries and create a federal entity like the United States. I reject this entirely.

They want a flag, an hymn, a money, an army, a constitution, a governement. Brexit would show how stupid this idea of the european union being the cause of economic growth is. They are people who are now persuaded than the leaving the Euro for a national money would end up in the bankruptcy of their country, when their country hase lived hundred of years without this money and when other european countries (like the UK) don't even have it.

That's how the EU brainwash is applied. Lies, lies, and more lies. Project fear they called it in UK. Leave the EU and it will be a cataclysm.

Well, you need to say why it's an opportunity...what are the opportunities you want that you don't have already ? To negotiate a trade agreement with the U.S as a small nation instead of a vast one ? We know how that's going down :D.

It doesn't make sense to say politicians that are opposed to Brexit are against the UK. It's Brexit that is ripping it apart. Scotland will leave the UK, Ireland, who knows how that will go. It's Brexit that is doing it, because by and large, Brexiteers only are bothered about England, and not the UK.

As regarding the other countries wanting to leave the EU, if you check you will find that Brexit has actually strengthened the EU. Even those parties in the EU who previously wanted to leave, have stopped this, as they've seen all the negatives of Brexit. EU support has never been stronger from those other than the UK.

"If anything, it brought wealth to Germany and eastern countries, and costed France, Italy and the UK a lot of money with ultra liberal and capitalist policies."

So you need to explain, why did Germany do well out of it, and the UK didn't ? What advantages did Germany have within the EU that the UK didn't ?

I don't even need to say why it would be an opportunity. Taking back control is what matters. The UK politicians would then be free to decide the policy they want, which they are not with all the europeans laws. Around half laws voted and applied in individual countries are from the European unions, they have taken control of the countries way too much.

What you do with freedom is your business, but you need to get your freedom first in order to make your own choice.

You talk about Scotland, but the referendum already happenned, Scottish independance was rejected and they decided to stay with the United Kingdon. I know that anti Brexit people and Scottish nationalists have the same problems, they can't respect referendum results, but both matter have already been settled by referendums.

All other countries are looking to the UK. Brexit has only been bad because the pro remain and anti UK parliaments members have fought hard to delay and stop Brexit instead of respecting the will of the referendum. The UK would have left without any problem nor fuss without the 5th column of european union fanatics who unfortunately have invaded the political class like a tumerous cancer.

Once Brexit is settled and done, we will see in 5 years if the UK has become a third world state, living in poverty or if it will still be a well develeppod and thriving country. I bet on the second.

Akmeden wrote:

The end goal of this european project is to destroy individuals countries and create a federal entity like the United States. I reject this entirely.

Whats wrong with that?

yes.... wrote:

"If anything, it brought wealth to Germany and eastern countries, and costed France, Italy and the UK a lot of money with ultra liberal and capitalist policies."

So you need to explain, why did Germany do well out of it, and the UK didn't ? What advantages did Germany have within the EU that the UK didn't ?

Wes1 wrote:

Akmeden wrote:

The end goal of this european project is to destroy individuals countries and create a federal entity like the United States. I reject this entirely.

Whats wrong with that?

What is wrong with your country dying and getting dissolved into a distant and bureaucratic entity? Are you serious? I mean , why all the nations tried to break from all the empires ever created?

Yawn. Idiot.

We will go into a recession.

There is no ‘federal state’, never will be, idiot.

Take back control of our laws? Like what? Idiot.

You know we can’t trade with the EU without accepting the very rules and regulations to want to re-write (?). Idiot.

You are an idiot. And so is your mum.

Akmeden wrote:

Wes1 wrote:

Whats wrong with that?

What is wrong with your country dying and getting dissolved into a distant and bureaucratic entity? Are you serious? I mean , why all the nations tried to break from all the empires ever created?

The USA has a bigger nominal economy than the EU despite having nearly 200 million less people. Why wouldn't Europe want to become more like the US? The purpose of the EU was to make doing business across hundreds of miles easy like it is in the US. I don't see why UK nationalism is good reason to forgo that.

Many good points made, however one I disagree with: Scotland will not find it easy to rejoin the EU should it become independent.

Simple reason - the EU will not accept a country without a strong, independent economy based on its own currency; Alex Salmond’s key argument throughout the last referendum campaign was that Scotland would still use the pound. Scottish independence would be a catastrophe of far greater proportions to the Brexit debacle - not for England, but for the Scottish people (for reference, I’m Scottish but live in England).

The problem the UK has now is that the most credible opposition to the Conservatives, and only real option to remain in the EU, is led by a man who many will not vote for regardless of the alternative.