LeBron James Bows to China and Stands Against Pro-Democracy Hong Kong!

Nike is just killing it this past week eh?

If there is one thing this thread proves, it’s that conservatives are susceptible to group think and are emotional rather than rationale debaters.

This country is in trouble with you guys as voters.

facts and reason wrote:

These leftist basketball coaches and players are hypocrites.

Here are suicide nets at an Apple factory in China. Do you want these workers to have healthcare? Do you want them to have overtime pay? Do you want them to have vacation time? If you want "social justice" only for Americans but not for people in other countries who make your iphone, then you may be a leftist hypocrite.

Yup! And you're a giant hypocrite too! The leader of the GOP and purported "leader of the free world" hasn't uttered one damn word in support of the Hong Kong protesters, and you're getting all riled up over some "leftist" basketball players for doing the exact same thing. Selective outrage at its finest. There's no inconsistency on my part, though; I think Lebron AND Trump are pvssies (although Trump's silence on this issue is 1000x worse because, again, he's the freaking president).

I don't know where you got this idea that liberals only want social justice for Americans. Liberals are the only people who support trade agreements that would require countries like China to have adequate wages and protections for their workers before they are allowed to access our markets. Trump and the GOP's corporate masters would never, ever allow something like that to happen, though.

LeBron has been bending over/ going down for the big bucks since day one.

Why is this even a thread worthy topic?

Tell me again why our liberals need to tell China how to run their society?

I know what we would tell them if they tried to run ours.

Derp Nation wrote:

Yup! And you're a giant hypocrite too!

You said, "Yup!" That means you agree with me 100% that leftist basketball millionaires are hypocrites.

You just conceded that everything I wrote is true.

Now you are trying to spin your loss into the "tu quoque" fallacy. Basically your defense is to move the spotlight back onto the messenger instead of the message when you say, "You are bad too!"

Republicans are not kneeling down in front of the American flag while demanding "social justice". This massive hypocrisy differential is squarely on leftists.

"Vice President Pence harshly condemned the oppression in Xinjiang, calling the crackdown 'a deliberate attempt by Beijing to strangle Uighur culture and stamp out the Muslim faith.' "

This is much more than what LeBron or Steve Kerr has ever done about the human rights abuses in China. Your pathetic "tu quoque" fallacy doesn't work.

I'm not surprised that you didn't just call it "whataboutism" like a normal, unpretentious person, because you clearly don't understand what the "tu quoque" fallacy is. I'm not irrationally attempting to discredit your argument against Lebron by pointing out your hypocrisy on this issue, I'm AGREEING with your opinion on Lebron while also pointing out your hypocrisy. If you are going to get mad at basketball players for bowing to China, you should expect your favorite political representatives to stand up to China, too. Did you read the next sentence after the one you quoted from the WaPo article?

"Yet last month, in advance of the anticipated trade talks at the Group of 20 summit in Japan, Mr. Pence postponed his follow-up critique. The Trump administration has pitted economic policy against human rights protections, and trade deals have won."

So Pence spoke forcefully on this issue, then promptly caved in order to help his boss find a way out of the unnecessary tariff war mess they created. What brave leadership!

Well, you know, ideally conservatives would also want to promote democracy and civil rights on the world stage, as they have done historically based on a recognition that it is in our long-term national security interests to do so, but I understand that many Trump supporters no longer believe in those values.

I'm not surprised that you didn't just call it "whataboutism" like a normal, unpretentious person, because you clearly don't understand what the "tu quoque" fallacy is. I'm not irrationally attempting to discredit your argument against Lebron by pointing out your hypocrisy on this issue, I'm AGREEING with your opinion on Lebron while also pointing out your hypocrisy. If you are going to get mad at basketball players for bowing to China, you should expect your favorite political representatives to stand up to China, too. Did you read the next sentence after the one you quoted from the WaPo article?

"Yet last month, in advance of the anticipated trade talks at the Group of 20 summit in Japan, Mr. Pence postponed his follow-up critique. The Trump administration has pitted economic policy against human rights protections, and trade deals have won."

So Pence spoke forcefully on this issue, then promptly caved in order to help his boss find a way out of the unnecessary tariff war mess they created. What brave leadership!

Well, you know, ideally conservatives would also want to promote democracy and civil rights on the world stage, as they have done historically based on a recognition that it is in our long-term national security interests to do so, but I understand that many Trump supporters no longer believe in those values.

“On behalf of the 327 million American citizens who generally believe that freedom is good and authoritarian regimes are less good”???

You mean the 327 million American morons who thought that ‘freedom’ would prevail when you murdered the leaders of the ‘authoritarian’ regimes of Saddam Hussein and General Gaddafi?

That turned out well didn’t it?

Especially for the Iraqi Christians whom Saddam protected, now virtually wiped out.

And we in Europe now face a refugee crisis that is now insurmountable.

Because Hitler said the same to the world?

What a fool. They will not allow one single man in the US to have an opinion that does not conform to their authoritarian agenda, otherwise there will be consequences. Yes they are trying to control the US idiot.

What does openly supporting riots in a foreign country have to do with social justice? Imposing your own values and traditions on others? Where's the virtue in minding other people's business?

Idiot

Muhammad Ali's ex-wife -- who was married to him during his Vietnam War protest -- says she wishes LeBron James would have stood up for the people of Hong Kong, because that's what Muhammad would have done.

https://www.tmz.com/2019/10/15/khalilah-ali-lebron-james-muhammad-ali-china-nba/

Ali was willing to go to jail for his convictions. LeBron was not willing to lose even one cent for his convictions. What a fraud.

Straight out ungrateful BUM!!!

If rherr ia wrote:

If there is one thing this thread proves, it’s that conservatives are susceptible to group think and are emotional rather than rationale debaters.

This country is in trouble with you guys as voters.

Get ready to suck it up for 4 more years son.