PRECEDENTED - Man who won all three 200 mile races this year was a "non-runner" and trains about 60 miles per week

David Goggins the master of swearwords and f bombs.

The longer the race the more muscles he will need. Also training the body to consume enought calories has an inpact. Thats why he shouldnt focus to much about miles. Helps with actn3xx genes too

The ghost of Pat Davey wrote:

"won all three 200 mile races"?

Well, the three 200s in the Triple Crown. They are all trail 200 mile races but third, Moab is actually 240 miles.

EssosLindi wrote:

I think the talent pool targetings these 200 mile races are very shallow. People are walking, stopping, eating, drinking, it's not really a run.

It's nothing about pace/VO2max or other running related data. It's really pure muscle endurance.

Umm, I don't think that's entirely correct. Those that do the 200 mile races almost entirely do 100 mile runs for training. If you finish the 100 miler you are already more talented than just some random runner off the street. If you toed up some talented runners with a bunch of middle aged men with weird 100 mile capabilities the latter would probably beat the prior in a 200 mile footrace.

2:16 Half in those results and in the 24hr event he was beaten by a 50+ year old bloke and the winner was a woman. As stated above the talent pool in these events is very limited. I would be surprised if this guy could break 3 hours in a normal marathon.

Bigballer69 wrote:

2:16 Half in those results and in the 24hr event he was beaten by a 50+ year old bloke and the winner was a woman. As stated above the talent pool in these events is very limited. I would be surprised if this guy could break 3 hours in a normal marathon.

All you 2:54 superstars should easily win these 200 mile races then but it looks to me like you are all too SCARED to try.

Bigballer69 wrote:

2:16 Half in those results and in the 24hr event he was beaten by a 50+ year old bloke and the winner was a woman. As stated above the talent pool in these events is very limited. I would be surprised if this guy could break 3 hours in a normal marathon.

1) "2:16 Half in those results..." either you didn't bother to dig into this result (like you did for the 24hr event), or you're being disingenuous. To wit: his wife finished 3 seconds ahead of him, suggesting perhaps he just paced it with her that day? Hmmm ?

2) "in the 24hr event he was beaten by a 50+ year old bloke and the winner was a woman... " OK so you did dig into this result further, but disingenuously failed to mention that said woman was none other than Camille Herron who won the race outright (re: beating all males for that matter) and set the AR for 24hrs for women. Hmmm ?

3) "As stated above the talent pool in these events is very limited..." In your experience please describe what "talents" are necessary to excel in 200 mile races?

4) "I would be surprised if this guy could break 3 hours in a normal marathon..." I've met him briefly at a race and suspect he could probably break 3 if he trained for it, but I'm only guessing and could be wrong. The bigger question is why does it even matter - he's an ultra guy, Kipchoge is a marathon guy, and Coleman is a 100 meter guy. These are different things, and are won by different kinds.

You and anyone else here are welcome to sign up for the next 200-miler and show him (and us) how it's done. No way in h@ll you'll see me out there - done a couple 100s and have no interest in 200 - just don't have that kind of "talent".

kipchoge or any top level marathoner can probably jog, chill, eat a big breakfast/lunch/dinner, sleep, and still win the race. these 200 mile races are worthless beyond bragging rights to the casuals because this record isn't gonna impress any competitive runners

ignorant person wrote:

kipchoge or any top level marathoner can probably jog, chill, eat a big breakfast/lunch/dinner, sleep, and still win the race. these 200 mile races are worthless beyond bragging rights to the casuals because this record isn't gonna impress any competitive runners

I would love to compete any day against Kipchoge in a 100 or 200 mile race. I quite certain I have a more than 50% chance of winning.

It's probably more like 80% but let's say 50.

I am quite baffled by the idea of 1 200 mile race, let alone 3 200+ mile races across 3 months. Hard to wrap my head around the idea. Been a regular runner most of my life, not a mega mileage by LRC standards, and I still can't comprehend what's happening physically or mentally during these feats. I'd imagine the hangover is quite intense to some degree. Your brain chemicals have to be all kinds of tossed around.

Am I inspired to go sign up? F*** NO! But I am inspired by finding my relative crazy desire. It will be interesting to see if these runners are still toeing the line a few years down the road. I applaud their efforts though, it really is something wild.

Agreed. Several years ago iRunFar ran an article on the effects of a 200 - more specifically, they interviewed a handful of Tor de Geants finishers. The one commonality of all their stories was the post-event disruption of their normal sleep patterns - waking up in the middle of the night, falling asleep in the middle of the day, etc... and how long-lasting the effect was (well over a month if I remember). Stack several 200s on top each other like this and you can only imagine how whacked out one's system could get - too much for me that's for sure.

In the 100s I did the after effect was more like jet-lag - you lose an entire night's sleep so it takes about a week to catch that back up. Not that big a deal in the big picture.

ignorant person wrote:

kipchoge or any top level marathoner can probably jog, chill, eat a big breakfast/lunch/dinner, sleep, and still win the race. these 200 mile races are worthless beyond bragging rights to the casuals because this record isn't gonna impress any competitive runners

Try hiking up 1000m ascent in high altitude over 8km, and not sleep for 50hrs. Then tell me how hard that is.

It's technical terrain so your speed will be limited no matter your fitness.

Also, nutrition is a factor. If you cannot hold down food, you are good as dead.

Ultrarunning isn't always about VO2Max, aerobic capacity, and talent.

There's an element of ruggedness that an athlete need to have to excel in those sorts of distances.

No athlete would subject themselves to that much torture unless they are really into it.

Would Kipchoge be really into running 200mi? Probably not. Most likely DNF before he ever crosses the finish line.

The power of the mind. He's simply tougher.

GreatScott wrote:

If you read around...

Michael McKnight - surely a contented of Ultra runner of the year. The 200 plus distance makes grown men cry.

https://ultrasignup.com/m_results_participant.aspx?fname=Michael&lname=McKnighthttps://www.hjnews.com/sports/local/big-day-for-local-runners/article_78c40df7-eac5-5d6a-8465-20e524c2fdac.html

On technical trails with a lot of vert, 60 miles/week could easily be 10-15 hours. Time on your feet and vert matters more than distance for mountain ultra training.

However, he is able to win on 60 mpw primarily because the talent pool in 200’s is shallow. As ultras continue to become more competitive, you will see training mileage increase. I think Pau Capell was logging 140 mpw with 30-40000 feet of vert prior to his dominant UTMB win this year.

Any day wrote:

ignorant person wrote:

kipchoge or any top level marathoner can probably jog, chill, eat a big breakfast/lunch/dinner, sleep, and still win the race. these 200 mile races are worthless beyond bragging rights to the casuals because this record isn't gonna impress any competitive runners

I would love to compete any day against Kipchoge in a 100 or 200 mile race. I quite certain I have a more than 50% chance of winning.

It's probably more like 80% but let's say 50.

No you wouldn't ...you make as if kipchoge doesn't do a lot of miles in training...why couldn't he walk or jog 200miles if he wanted to?

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Bigballer69 wrote:

2:16 Half in those results and in the 24hr event he was beaten by a 50+ year old bloke and the winner was a woman. As stated above the talent pool in these events is very limited. I would be surprised if this guy could break 3 hours in a normal marathon.

All you 2:54 superstars should easily win these 200 mile races then but it looks to me like you are all too SCARED to try.

....yeah, they shouldn't comment just because they don't give a f**K about wasting time running 200 miles ?????

Huh??

I am Sam wrote:

Any day wrote:

I would love to compete any day against Kipchoge in a 100 or 200 mile race. I quite certain I have a more than 50% chance of winning.

It's probably more like 80% but let's say 50.

No you wouldn't ...you make as if kipchoge doesn't do a lot of miles in training...why couldn't he walk or jog 200miles if he wanted to?

He had better do some shorter and brutal runs similar to ultra mountain efforts before he does. Kipchoge would need a few years to become good at 100-200 milers if he even has it in him at all.

Has anybody ever asked KIpchoge if he could win UTMB? Get on it LR.

And where is Camille Herron? Has she won UTMB or WS 100? She is so overrated like Zach Miller and Anton Krupicka.