BRIGID KOSGEI WTF 2:14:04

These ridiculous posts about her and Kipchoge not looking tired. They did look tired, but elated, just like anyone who wins a race in a fast time.

The Truth Hurts wrote:

Yup!! wrote:

Watch her body language as she finished. She finished and immediately looked down in dismay. Her subconscious definitely knows she’s a cheater. She didn’t even look happy with winning, a clear sign that she cheated !

I thought the exact same thing as she finished. Her reaction was the most suspicious thing.

Huh? ? Do you have a link? I've never seen a WR setting athlete look dismayed at the finish. Are you sure you're not getting her mixed up someone else that finished behind her?

Can't Believe What I'm Hearing wrote:

The Truth Hurts wrote:

I thought the exact same thing as she finished. Her reaction was the most suspicious thing.

Huh? ? Do you have a link? I've never seen a WR setting athlete look dismayed at the finish. Are you sure you're not getting her mixed up someone else that finished behind her?

I watched the race and that was my impression as well. Kosgei looked upset immediately after finishing. And I’m 100% sure that I’m not mixing her up with someone else.

Jsdidhsjaj wrote:

LoneStarXC wrote:

And she didn’t even look tired afterwards. It’s totally that “proper training”. ?

That's not an indicator for drugs, that's just what real fitness looks like..not your "super fit" hobby jogger fitness.

And do you know what drugs looks like?

Petitio Principii wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Credibility is related to trust, and trust is lost when cheating becomes a commonplace. As it has. The reputation of the sport as being clean has taken too many hits.

Clean/Dirty, two sides of the same ridiculous belief in drugs. In this regard, you and rekrunner are both as stupid as each other.

So tell us where the truth lies. And how you know.

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

Jsdidhsjaj wrote:

That's not an indicator for drugs, that's just what real fitness looks like..not your "super fit" hobby jogger fitness.

This is true. Watch any elite, even Willis and Muir if you want, how they look like after an all-out mile. They are immediately recovered, ready to go on a victory lap celebration jog and/or do an interview.

Let a hobby jogger run an all-out mile and he is laying dead on the track for a few minutes. That's the difference between a VO2MAX of 70-85 and one of 50.

Immediately recover? Are you suggesting elites don't experience fatigue and don't need to recover? There may be a reason for that, quite apart from superior fitness. Muir, by the way, frequently has to take time to recover, lying down on the track - in the "old fashioned way" athletes used to do. I'm sure her VO2 is well above hobby jogger.

If anyone thinks this is legit, they're out of their tiny mind.

Armstronglivs wrote:

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

This is true. Watch any elite, even Willis and Muir if you want, how they look like after an all-out mile. They are immediately recovered, ready to go on a victory lap celebration jog and/or do an interview.

Let a hobby jogger run an all-out mile and he is laying dead on the track for a few minutes. That's the difference between a VO2MAX of 70-85 and one of 50.

Immediately recover? Are you suggesting elites don't experience fatigue and don't need to recover? There may be a reason for that, quite apart from superior fitness. Muir, by the way, frequently has to take time to recover, lying down on the track - in the "old fashioned way" athletes used to do. I'm sure her VO2 is well above hobby jogger.

That's because she is exaggerating. She feels just like the winner of an all-out mile, but because she didn't win she is maybe lying on the track to think about the race or whatever. If she wins, she will also go straight to victory lap and stuff.

Being fresh after an all-out mile IS just superior fitness, nothing else. And I'm not talking about maybe the 5-10s after a race, but general feeling after a race. These guys could start a big workout or even another race just a bit later. Just look at NOP post-race workouts from Rupp, Hasay, etc.

Even HS kids who are very fit recover stupidly fast from an all-out mile. Hunter and Fisher often doubled on the same day winning both races.

If a hobby jogger with low VO2MAX runs an all-out mile, he is DONE for the day. He might not even be able to walk/jog the next day. That's how long they need to recover when they can only bring in so much oxygen into their body. Running an 80+% aerobic event like the mile with a low VO2MAX is like asking the body to break down important tissue to keep up whatever slow pace they are running, and requires much more recovery than an elite who is pumping in 100's of liters of air per minute.

But this talk is getting off-topic. This is a marathon, not a mile and I'm not saying elites should be fully recovered after an all-out marathon.

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

Just look at NOP post-race workouts from Rupp, Hasay, etc.

Because NOP was the epitome of clean sport, lol?

LoneStarXC wrote:

Can't Believe What I'm Hearing wrote:

Huh? ? Do you have a link? I've never seen a WR setting athlete look dismayed at the finish. Are you sure you're not getting her mixed up someone else that finished behind her?

I watched the race and that was my impression as well. Kosgei looked upset immediately after finishing. And I’m 100% sure that I’m not mixing her up with someone else.

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that look is CLASSIC

"oh sh*t i was supposed to just run 2:18, now its over, just like rupp and hassay....rosa will claim he doesnt even know me"

Well, if Paula's record was an "outlier" and too fast to be taken seriously, surely we must be doubly sceptical of Brigid's effort. Indeed, Brigid's time yesterday is faster than any male athlete ran until 1964. Now, come on, does that make sense?

Paula record was ok . She had years and years of races on the track and in cross country and then in the marathon with 12 gold medal and 4 silver in a 15 years career. She didnt have a good final kick but she was always there with the best.

Then she tried the marathon and went for the world record after 2 marathon (2:17 Chicago , 2:15 London and after that 4 New York wins, another 2:17 in London and a 2:23 in Berlin.

With Brigid Kosgei we have somebody that 5 years ago was like 2:47 in the marathon then from 2:24 in 2016 in just 3 years ready to smash Paula record with 2:14:04!!!!

So we cannot even compare the two career.

2:14:04 was the same time the male winner won the 2015 Porto Marathon. The 2015 Porto Marathon seemed to be quite a slow run, and the race is not that very fast, go check wikipedia for the times, while she did do 2:47:59, it seemed to have been a sucky day, judging by the pics, waaay too hot/humid. but I can't find any stats, I don't want to say that her drop in marathon time was not eyebrow raising, but she seemed to have still won it, and the times show it wasn't fast across the board.

Won't be long now before the top Kenyan women are better than the top American men

GBnothingWithoutFarah?? wrote:

NOOOO! NO! NO'.... Brigid Kosgei broke Mary Keitany's record......'Suspected' dopist Paula Radcliffe's record had a very big asterisk since she used men. What an insult.... That ' woman only' record garbage should end and be buried with 'suspected' dopist Radcliffe. LET'S GO KENYA .......

Kosgei ran behind 2 male pacesetters for the majority of the race, drafting off of them.

Radcliffe ran beside her male escort, taking great pains to not have them shelter her from the wind.

She finished over a mile in front of second place, and second place time wasn’t too shabby 2:20:xx.

Is this the largest ever margin of victory in a WMM?

How much dough did Kosgei win for breaking the WR record? She should be very off financially for the rest of her life?

LoneStarXC wrote:

Can't Believe What I'm Hearing wrote:

Huh? ? Do you have a link? I've never seen a WR setting athlete look dismayed at the finish. Are you sure you're not getting her mixed up someone else that finished behind her?

I watched the race and that was my impression as well. Kosgei looked upset immediately after finishing. And I’m 100% sure that I’m not mixing her up with someone else.

https://st1.latestly.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/GettyImages-1180842165-784x441.jpghttps://cdn.abcotvs.com/dip/images/5616585_101319-wls-chicago-marathon-10p-vid.jpg?w=1600

Picture is worth a thousand words.

Actually, no. A typical hobby jogger cannot run a mile hard enough to do real damage.