Soosdhxhxhxb wrote:
Lenny Leonard wrote:
Track “fans” care about doping allegations. Elite level athletes do not.
Tell Des Linden that, dummy!
We like to call her Queen of the TUE.
Soosdhxhxhxb wrote:
Lenny Leonard wrote:
Track “fans” care about doping allegations. Elite level athletes do not.
Tell Des Linden that, dummy!
We like to call her Queen of the TUE.
Don't play dumb wrote:
steve dildarian wrote:
I'm aware.
Did Jerry and Alberto both coach someone busted for doping? Did Jerry and Alberto both see how much exogenous testosterone would trigger a positive test? Did Jerry and Alberto both exceed doping limits on IVs? Did Jerry and Alberto both get found with syringes at training camp? Did Jerry and Alberto both ask an athlete to take meds prescribed to someone else?
Look up the suspicious test values of some of Jerry athletes. Look at how some of his runners go from nothing to break American records back to nothing in a matter of a few years. Look at Chris Solinsky progression, it makes mo Farah progression look like nothing.
This post is hilariously misguided and idiotic.
I have no idea. NOP is clearly the best club in the nation. Everyone at BTC winds up injured and only races like 3 times a year. It's a joke.
Exactly. When I think “credibility” Kara Goucher is the exemplar that rushes to my mind as well.
This fvcking killed me hahahaha.
If you're an American capable of medalling at a championship signed to Nike then you're probably going to be on NOP, not Bowerman. People like Centro and Murphy who medalled in college. Bowerman takes Americans who have talent but don't seem like immediate worldbeaters, who need developing. Houlihan is a perfect example. NCAA champion but not a likely medal threat. If you're an American signed to Nike you have a lot more promotional value than an African so your contract is significantly more. The Africans make much less, contract-wise, so in order to make money they have to chase it on the Diamond League. They also tend to be faster runners and therefore more desirable for meet directors. The Americans, with only a few exceptions, are slower and need the money less. They don't have to chase Diamond League money. Of course money is nice -- Brazier picked up $50k winning Zurich, but Americans don't have to chase it like Africans do. Bowerman in general races sparingly -- just Schumacher's philosophy.
Don't play stupid wrote:
Tell me this doesn't look suspicious:
2014 13:50.23 Heusden-Zolder (BEL) 19 JUL 2014
2013 13:23.62 Palo Alto, CA (USA) 28 APR 2013
2011 13:10.22 OP, Melbourne (AUS) 03 MAR 2011
2010 12:55.53 Olympiastadion, Stockholm (SWE) 06 AUG 2010
2009 13:18.41 Walnut, CA (USA) 17 APR 2009
2008 13:18.51 Heusden-Zolder (BEL) 20 JUL 2008
2007 13:12.24 Heusden-Zolder (BEL) 28 JUL 2007
2006 13:27.94 Eugene, OR (USA) 21 APR 2006
2005 13:37.55 Carson, CA (USA) 24 JUN 2005
2004 13:42.44 Eugene, OR (USA) 24
Vs this:
2017 13:00.70 Hayward Field, Eugene, OR (USA) 27 MAY 2017
2016 12:59.29 Olympic Stadium, London (GBR) 23 JUL 2016
2015 13:11.77 Pontaise, Lausanne (SUI) 09 JUL 2015
2014 13:23.42 Portland, OR (USA) 15 JUN 2014
2013 13:05.88 Hayward Field, Eugene, OR (USA) 01 JUN 2013
2012 12:56.98 Hayward Field, Eugene, OR (USA) 02 JUN 2012
2011 12:53.11 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 22 JUL 2011
2010 12:57.94 Letzigrund, Zürich (SUI) 19 AUG 2010
2009 13:09.14 Crystal Palace, London (GBR) 24 JUL 2009
2008 13:08.11 Boudewijnstadion, Bruxelles (BEL) 05 SEP 2008
2007 13:07.00 Boudewijnstadion, Bruxelles (BEL) 14 SEP 2007
2006 13:09.40 Heusden-Zolder (BEL) 22 JUL 2006
2005 13:30.53 Solihull (GBR) 25 JUN 2005
2003 13:38.41 Crystal Palace, London (GBR) 08 AUG 2003
2001 13:56.31 Solihull (GBR) 23 JUN 2001
2000 14:05.72 Solihull (GBR) 19 AUG 2000
Which one looks like more normal progression?
My best guess would be drugs, or the fact that Solinsky tore his hamstring off his pelvis in 2011. One of those two.
Paul Bunyan wrote:
Don't play stupid wrote:
Tell me this doesn't look suspicious:
2014 13:50.23 Heusden-Zolder (BEL) 19 JUL 2014
2013 13:23.62 Palo Alto, CA (USA) 28 APR 2013
2011 13:10.22 OP, Melbourne (AUS) 03 MAR 2011
2010 12:55.53 Olympiastadion, Stockholm (SWE) 06 AUG 2010
2009 13:18.41 Walnut, CA (USA) 17 APR 2009
2008 13:18.51 Heusden-Zolder (BEL) 20 JUL 2008
2007 13:12.24 Heusden-Zolder (BEL) 28 JUL 2007
2006 13:27.94 Eugene, OR (USA) 21 APR 2006
2005 13:37.55 Carson, CA (USA) 24 JUN 2005
2004 13:42.44 Eugene, OR (USA) 24
Vs this:
2017 13:00.70 Hayward Field, Eugene, OR (USA) 27 MAY 2017
2016 12:59.29 Olympic Stadium, London (GBR) 23 JUL 2016
2015 13:11.77 Pontaise, Lausanne (SUI) 09 JUL 2015
2014 13:23.42 Portland, OR (USA) 15 JUN 2014
2013 13:05.88 Hayward Field, Eugene, OR (USA) 01 JUN 2013
2012 12:56.98 Hayward Field, Eugene, OR (USA) 02 JUN 2012
2011 12:53.11 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 22 JUL 2011
2010 12:57.94 Letzigrund, Zürich (SUI) 19 AUG 2010
2009 13:09.14 Crystal Palace, London (GBR) 24 JUL 2009
2008 13:08.11 Boudewijnstadion, Bruxelles (BEL) 05 SEP 2008
2007 13:07.00 Boudewijnstadion, Bruxelles (BEL) 14 SEP 2007
2006 13:09.40 Heusden-Zolder (BEL) 22 JUL 2006
2005 13:30.53 Solihull (GBR) 25 JUN 2005
2003 13:38.41 Crystal Palace, London (GBR) 08 AUG 2003
2001 13:56.31 Solihull (GBR) 23 JUN 2001
2000 14:05.72 Solihull (GBR) 19 AUG 2000
Which one looks like more normal progression?
My best guess would be drugs, or the fact that Solinsky tore his hamstring off his pelvis in 2011. One of those two.
I think he means the 20+ second PR after stagnating in the 13:1x for years.
Farah didn't run for time in the 5000m in those years and he was world or Olympic champ in the 5 in 2011, 2012, 2013, 2015, 2016, plus the 10 in 2012, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2017. He was dominating mid 12:40s guys. And he was considerably older than Solinsky when he became a world beater. Solinsky had been injured the two previous years. One injury was bad enough to prevent him from trying the steeple, which Jerry thought he'd be really good at.
steve dildarian wrote:
Because they got a Nike contract and don't want to be coached by a cheater. And because they probably don't base their decision off of one meet.
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