Democrat presidential debate official thread

Women rights for abortion.

No open borders but humane treatment at detainment centers

Overhaul of healthcare system. Retain private insurance

Livable wages

Environment, clean up ocean ect

Gun rights

Kamala Harris backtracked on Morning Joe this morning and said she raised her hand to get rid of her insurance, not private insurance for 180 million Americans.

Conundrum wrote:

Trump is a con man with absolutely no ethics. But democrat candidates are getting pushed to far to the left. Much farther to the left that obama.

The rational voices are Mayor Pete, Bennet, and biden. I am disappointed in Harris. I really liked her until her strong left turn in the debate. Many of us like our private insurance. Public option for insurance is the best approach.

Many if us do not want open borders. We demand humane treatment though.

I would NeVER vote trump, but the rational voices for the dems need to be heard.

I agree with everything you wrote in both your texts. Bennett has no shot moving on. It will be an interesting next few months watching the candidates drop out. Hopefully someone electable will be left.

Poll Says Yang won the 2nd Debate, https://dailycaller.com/2019/06/27/drudge-poll-williamson-yang-winner/

Do you think Obama was surprised to learn that his VP was a horrid racist? I mean the Dems elected that guy and he served in the second most powerful position in the US and here he was a virtual Klansman!

I didn't get a chance to watch much of either debate. Did anyone at any point say anything that differed from the party line? Or did the whole thing just consist of a bunch of people trying to prove that they were even more in lockstep with the party ideology than everyone else?

Harris' job right now is to do whatever it takes to secure the nomination.

We know that private health insurance will not be replaced in full anytime soon.

This is about showing the will to make progress towards changing that, which will happen over time.

Before Medicare for all has any chance of becoming the default health coverage,it has to become an option to buy into or be expanded by age rande and income level.

People say that they like their private insurance, which is typically purchased by their employer.

If their employer has an option to purchase a Medicare plan that is cheaper, that is what most companies are likely to do.

Then boom,you are on Medicare.

You can choose not to take your company's Medicare plan and purchase your own, of course. But I doubt most people will decide to pay higher premiums just to spite the government plan.

A private option will always be availabe but it will become supplemental.

In the general election, this will still be a winning issue.

Trump vowed to replace Obamacare with a better plan. That hasn't happened and isn't even in the discussion now. Now he's saying re-elect him and Republicans and they will fix healthcare next term. No one is going to buy that bull.

As far as the economy being good, voters will decide if their own situation has really improved.

They heard about the big tax cuts. Have they felt it in their wallet?

Is the avearage American's purchasing power better now?

Healthcare will be a winning issue to get the Dem nomination and in the general election.

Harris is making the right call on how to speak to it.

Ok. Fine. She still has to say how it will be paid for. And how we are going to provide full comprehensive first class coverage for undocumented aliens.

BTW, is that coverage going to extend to transient visitors to the US as well? Tourists? What’s to stop someone with a medical condition coming here on a tourist visa, declaring their condition and demanding care?

It will be paid for like everything else the dems propose: tax the 1%

They are blind to think the 1% will sit there and take it. Many will leave and with them goes the funding for "free" everything.

These debates have given trump a leg up on being re-elected. Only thing that will damage his chances is a war with Iran.

Harris just did a Donald Trump. No I didn't raise my hand to get rid of private insurance, I raised my hand to say I would get rid of my own insurance and take the public insurance. Odd that she didn't correct that as the debate went on on this topic. Her comments the next day denying her meaning was classic Donald Trump.

And yes your point is well taken, giving medical care is quite different than providing comprehensive medical care.

The first poster saying Harris needs to do whatever she needs to do to secure the nomination is sadly her approach.

Funding it easy kind of easy.

You exchange all of the dollars that people and companies are currently paying in premiums, copays and deductibles and put that into Medicare.

Visitors can get care in emergency cases in hospitals already.

But they will be able to use public health services just like they can currently use public roads.

If a human comes in that is sick, you take care of them.

More access to preventative care should lead to fewer people getting sick to need more expensive care.

Another thing that Harris did which was Trump-like was to say she would make executive orders to get things done.

Trump and this Congress has made a huge precedent for deferring Congress' work to the president to be left unchecked.

When a Democrat becomes president and starts to do the same, there will be no way to stop it.

A Lot of people were against busing back in the 1970's, I volunteered to go to a All Black School, because I was always treated like the star meaning great when I would go to the Black Neighborhoods, even my parents were against it (Which Proves that you can be against busing without being racist at all) Actually The school bus did not take me, I usually took 3 city buses to get there, get on the first city bus for 15 cents then get a free transfer and then an extension/another transfer, In Elementary I went to a special education school which had kids who were thrown out of public schools from all over the county, so I had friends when I got there, They were going to bus the white kids, but they took it to court and it did not happen, But I did it because I felt it was the right thing to do and I get treated great when I am the only White one (Actually there were about 20 whites if you count Cubans and Puerto Ricans mostly on the Baseball team) A few fights the first few weeks (I loved to fight anyway, went on to wrestle at Oklahoma State and Cal State Bakersfield and boxed as an amateur and sparred World Champions and top Fighters like Irleis and Tomas Perez, Don and Bruce Curry, Aaron Pryor and many more after college) Met really nice people, this was before rap was popular, I blame Rap for making black neighborhoods crime infested and blighted, there was crime, but no drive by or any shootings that I know of. I was the EXCEPTION volunteering to go to a Black School, Whites against busing like Joe Biden Were the norm, The reason Biden has changed his views is probably because he got to know Obama for 8 years and realized Black people are mostly nice and are not necessarily the stereotype you see on TV. When I went to the Black School Miami Jackson NOT ONCE did I hear the term White Privilege, actually I never heard the term until a few years ago, I hate that term and I appreciate that NOT ONCE did they use that term around me (It seems like it is to create resentment towards whites) one kid joked that he didn't like White people when Roots came on the TV, NOT ONCE did I hear the word reparations though even if I had I would not know what it meant. I would not blame Biden for his views as Blacks were negatively stereotyped back then, I am glad he Met President Obama and was able to learn the Stereotypes are usually false, mostly nice people, the girls always flirted with me, it was great.

L L wrote:

Funding it easy kind of easy.

You exchange all of the dollars that people and companies are currently paying in premiums, copays and deductibles and put that into Medicare.

Visitors can get care in emergency cases in hospitals already.

But they will be able to use public health services just like they can currently use public roads.

If a human comes in that is sick, you take care of them.

More access to preventative care should lead to fewer people getting sick to need more expensive care.

Not that simple. Many have negotiated accepting lower wages for better benefits. Suddenly wages won't go up to match what companies will be saving.

Also if you have good private insurance do you really want to risk your coverage with this plan. I don't.

Your first line about exchanging all of the dollars people and companies are paying and put that into medicare is pie in the sky. There is no mechanism for this to happen. And many will take advantage of this system.

And its a losing political stance......Harris realized this later after getting so much negative feedback on it.

L L wrote:

Funding it easy kind of easy.

You exchange all of the dollars that people and companies are currently paying in premiums, copays and deductibles and put that into Medicare.

So you're saying that the public plan isn't going to save any money? Why do it, then?

L L wrote:

Funding it easy kind of easy.

You exchange all of the dollars that people and companies are currently paying in premiums, copays and deductibles and put that into Medicare.

The nations would save $2 Trillion dollars and have universal coverage by doing this, according to the Heritage foundation.

no savings wrote:

So you're saying that the public plan isn't going to save any money? Why do it, then?

Would save $2 Trillion over 10 years.

This is a Koch brothers funded report, not Heritage foundation as I put in my last post. I regret the error.

Going back to Harris's lie backtracking about comment about private insurance. Harris said that she didn't understand the question as the other 9 people did.

How can Harris not understand the same question that was asked the night before?????

After Trump, I am sick and tired of politicians making bold face lies. What she did was not stretching the truth, it was pure Donald Trump.I

Also she made a low blow to Biden not being in favor of forced busing in the 70's. Forcing kids to be bused from their home school was a failed policy. She played the race card and probably hurt Biden with blacks.