Democrat presidential debate official thread

L L wrote:

I don't see a mad rush of people making doctors visits if copays are eliminated.

Just like I don't see people rushing to the library to borrow books for free.

WhyRegisterHere? wrote:

If you decide not to carry insurance and have bad luck, you'll wind up on the wrong end of someone else's bumper, or have a stroke, or a meteor will come from the sky and hit you. Whatever it is, you'll eventually use the healthcare system whether you carry insurance or not. In the end, we all pay for each other's care one way or the other.

I get where you're coming from, but healthcare is ultimately not an opt-in system. Everybody gets shafted somewhere along the way. Everybody shares the costs associated with infrastructure, and healthcare is another domain that requires that everyone have skin in the game, because they always do.

I make a distinction between health CARE and health INSURANCE.

I believe that routine health care is one’s own business. Routine healthcare can be expensive, especially in the US medical system, but is not so oppressive as to bankrupt people. Everyone with a job ought to be able to absorb $2k to $5k of medical expenses. That’s not much more than they pay for cell phones or WiFi service or cable tv etc. In the worst case, relatives or friends or gofundme can chip in.

I can get behind providing public catastrophic health insurance (after personal responsibility for basic care and the first few $ of catastrophic to weed out nuisance care claims). But there has to be limits e.g. $1million (pick a number) lifetime. Not every medical case is worth pursuing to the bitter end, given scarcity of resources. If a person or family want to pick up the costs beyond that in search of the miracle cure, or one more month, that’s on them.

L L wrote:

I don't see a mad rush of people making doctors visits if copays are eliminated.

I listen to the radio when in the car. Every year for the last few years, sometime in the late October to December timeframe, there will be advertisements saying “don’t forget to come in for your free wellness check. You’re entitled to a free checkup from your insurance company”. Utter waste of medical resources, and shameless revenue baiting by medical professionals. The vast majority of people have no medical issues that warrant a doctor visit. And regardless, a wellness check is not a catastrophic expense that the government or insurance company should have to pay for it.

Discipline wrote:

The vast majority of people have no medical issues that warrant a doctor visit.

Provide a link to prove your claim.

A nearly 95 year old Jimmy Carter said today that Alzheimer Joe and Crazy Bernie are too old to be president, as each would hit 80 midway through their first term. Carter says he himself would've been incapable 15 years ago as well.

No surprise there, he was incapable 40 years ago!

Hmmm, so Jimmy thinks RBG should resign from the Supreme Court too?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/i-hope-there-s-age-limit-jimmy-carter-says-he-n1055836

Rigged for Hillary wrote:

A nearly 95 year old Jimmy Carter said today that Alzheimer Joe and Crazy Bernie are too old to be president, as each would hit 80 midway through their first term. Carter says he himself would've been incapable 15 years ago as well.

No surprise there, he was incapable 40 years ago!

Hmmm, so Jimmy thinks RBG should resign from the Supreme Court too?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/i-hope-there-s-age-limit-jimmy-carter-says-he-n1055836

Don't forget Breyer (nominated by Clinton). He's 81.

I don't think there should be an age limit for Supreme Court Justices but maybe a 20 year time limit.

The public will decide if a presidential candidate is too old.

Carter gave his opinion.

It does seem to be a vigorous job for an old person.

She has never been the same after Tulsi ripped her to shreds. From all accounts, she was a lousy Attorney General, and as a Senator she has done absolutely nothing for CA. Harris is done.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/461763-poll-biden-sanders-lead-democratic-field-in-california-harris-takes-fifth

Are Democrats going to get worked up about this?

The two oldest Justices are Clinton appointees. And the oldest Republican appointee is 10 years younger than either of them.

They drop dead in a second Trump term and it's 7-2 conservative.

Kids are different and should have a free education. Adults (over 18) need a bit of skin in the game. I am for being very generous for those who need it and who show great academic aptitude. But I think its human nature to value something more if we pay something for it.

Some people will abuse free medical care. For many things such as workman's comp., insurance claims, financial help, extra support in school finding the right doctor who will say what you want is a big incentive to keep looking for different doctors. I am just recommending some token cost, such as a copay to keep people honest. Not much money, just not totally free.

Rigged for Hillary wrote:

A nearly 95 year old Jimmy Carter said today that Alzheimer Joe and Crazy Bernie are too old to be president, as each would hit 80 midway through their first term. Carter says he himself would've been incapable 15 years ago as well.

No surprise there, he was incapable 40 years ago!

Hmmm, so Jimmy thinks RBG should resign from the Supreme Court too?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/i-hope-there-s-age-limit-jimmy-carter-says-he-n1055836

He also said reelecting Trump would be a huge mistake.

I guess you agree with Carter on that too?

I will back Carter's ideas with you. We can be on the same page!

Your arguments are fair.

I still have the view that an adult who just turned 18 is limited in their ability to go to college based on the resources of their parents.

I don't care for the loan approach. That causes other problems.

Poor kids can get assistance.

Everyone else has options that depend on their parent's financial situation.

Middle class young adults get put into a hole quickly.

The way it is now, people who come from money have an education advantage post secondary school.

I'm cool with rich kids getting help with a car or a house or spending money from their parents.

But not education.

L L wrote:

Are Democrats going to get worked up about this?

The two oldest Justices are Clinton appointees. And the oldest Republican appointee is 10 years younger than either of them.

They drop dead in a second Trump term and it's 7-2 conservative.

Sweet!! I brought up this dream scenario last year on the other thread. Plus, Trump has been stocking the Federal courts with conservative judges since day one.

More liberal heads exploding & cries of despair are assured

KAG2020

Conundrum wrote:

Rigged for Hillary wrote:

A nearly 95 year old Jimmy Carter said today that Alzheimer Joe and Crazy Bernie are too old to be president, as each would hit 80 midway through their first term. Carter says he himself would've been incapable 15 years ago as well.

No surprise there, he was incapable 40 years ago!

Hmmm, so Jimmy thinks RBG should resign from the Supreme Court too?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/i-hope-there-s-age-limit-jimmy-carter-says-he-n1055836

He also said reelecting Trump would be a huge mistake.

I guess you agree with Carter on that too?

I will back Carter's ideas with you. We can be on the same page!

Carter was a bumbling fool. He believed that Khomeini would bring about a moderate Iran instead it became an Islamist dictatorship which took American hostages. You probably agreed with his idiotic Olympic boycott as well.

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Link?? wrote:

Discipline wrote:

The vast majority of people have no medical issues that warrant a doctor visit.

Provide a link to prove your claim.

Provide a link to disprove it.

Bernie Sanders for President wrote:

Bernie's Platform

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Crazy Bernie, Pocahontas or Alzheimer Joe will not beat Trump. 2024 will be a change election, and that's when the Dems have a much easier shot to win.

These Dem nominees are going the way of Cankles in 2016, Mittens in 2012, McCain in 2008, Lurch in 2004, Algore in 2000, Dole in 96, GHWB in 92, Dukakis in 88 and Mondale in 84.

Get the picture?

KAG2020

Bernie Sanders for President wrote:

Bernie's Platform

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Rigged for Hillary wrote:

the Dems have a much easier shot to win.

Yes, I agree with this 100 percent, provided we pick the right Progressive candidate, the only candidate who represents the working class of America, Bernie Sanders.

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Bernie Sanders for President wrote:

Bernie's Platform

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Rigged for Hillary wrote:

the Dems have a much easier shot to win.

Yes, I agree with this 100 percent, provided we pick the right Progressive candidate, the only candidate who represents the working class of America, Bernie Sanders.

Crazy Bernie is a card carrying socialist. He's not going to be POTUS, fool.