Pre Classic 2019 (6/30) - official discussion thread

Voiceofreason wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

USA women's sprinting is hurting right now

- Bowie has been away for a long time. I don't think she is going get her form back quick enough to be able to compete

for the WC

Hobbs and Richardson - NOPE..don't see it...maybe Richardson.

- Gardner coming back from a huge knee injury, and was never a big big threat.

Are you not keeping up with the sprint scene? Bowie will be FINE!! She has plenty of time, worlds are not until OCTOBER!! In addition, she is the 2017 world champ and thus has a bye to the 100m so she doesn't even need to be in top 3 at USAs.

People do your research before you start making nonsense conclusions. I think people forget how late worlds are this year, no need to be in PR form in July.

Oh this makes me laugh - someone who is "kept up with the sprint scene" - brother the only thing I'd guess that you really know is that the World Championships are in October. Kudos.

If you think that Tori Bowie's performances aren't of some concern you are completely clueless. She ran 11.22 with a 0.7 tail in Boston 2 weeks ago and today she ran 11.30 with a 0.3 tail. Dude, we are talking about an athlete with a 10.78PR who is extremely decorated. My expectation of that kind of talent, even with a late World Champs (applause for you) is that she is at least competitive and probably hovering around the 11.0X watermark at this point in the season.

I mean we hear the same "building towards October" from guys like Coleman (who have also had injury issues in the recent past) and yeah, he's probably capable of running 9.7 low by worlds - he's running 0.1-0.15 off that right now - that's exactly where he should be. Same for Lyles, same for DeGrasse, et al.

We aren't talking an 800m race here - to be competing over 100m almost half a full second off your PR? If you think that having concern at that is a nonsense conclusion you have no idea what you are talking about.

Tori's head and heart isn't in it right now for a variety of reasons - and that's what the concern is. Unfortunately a few extra weeks of "prep" for Doha isn't going to change this for the good.

Hey nimrod, since when does early season struggles automatically dictate/equate to an awful performance at Worlds?! There have been plenty of athletes that have struggled early season then gone on and performed exceptionally at worlds. There are also athletes who perform spectacular early season and even most of season then by worlds there peaked out and toast. Its all about timing it right. Being concerned may be somewhat reasonable but if you factor in the very late start of worlds (worlds have never been held this late in a year) and the fact she already has a bye to the championships she can have as fucked up as a build she wants and just needs to be in peak form in October.

Voiceofreason wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

USA women's sprinting is hurting right now

- Bowie has been away for a long time. I don't think she is going get her form back quick enough to be able to compete

for the WC

Hobbs and Richardson - NOPE..don't see it...maybe Richardson.

- Gardner coming back from a huge knee injury, and was never a big big threat.

Are you not keeping up with the sprint scene? Bowie will be FINE!! She has plenty of time, worlds are not until OCTOBER!! In addition, she is the 2017 world champ and thus has a bye to the 100m so she doesn't even need to be in top 3 at USAs.

People do your research before you start making nonsense conclusions. I think people forget how late worlds are this year, no need to be in PR form in July.

You should be worried, Tori finished I believe close to last today, and there is no one after tori who is going to be able to compete against Elaine, Talou, Ohura, Asher smith, Frayser, Schippers. Tori is our only true hope , and she just does not look good right now. That's all. I mean USA women's sprinting is not as strong as USA mens, and that is clear as day.

I hope Tori can get her form back by Worlds, but she just does not look good. She looks like what Elaine looked like last year. Tori is not even close to running sub 11 at this point. Hopefully she will be a lot better in August. If she can get down to 10.9 around that time, then I will be a little bit more confident.

Hobbs?

A freshmen who just turned pro?

Gardner?

We are hurting right now. Plain and simple.

watching on nbc wrote:

Semenya did a great interview on NBC. I mean you've got to respect the way she handles herself.

But I bet any 5 year old who is watching listening is wondering, "Daddy, why is a boy running against the girls?"

That happened to my buddy.

My daughter asked me the same exact thing!

Did he fall down the last lap or something Splits look good with a lap to go. He ran well in Boston the other day.

Anthos wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

Chelimo is back baby. I was afraid that race would go a lot worse based on his recent results and supposed injury struggles.

From where?

He said he had an Achilles issue during the Stockholm 10K. He was also planning to run the 5Ks in Rome and Oslo but didn't do either.

Timothy Cheryout is just too good.

Just woke up and watched the race on YouTube. My observations.

Brilliant runs from Jakob and Filip. Still has another 3 months to close that narrow gap with Tim, and of course Tokyo is when it counts, and Jakob for sure will be be a long way ahead of everyone by then (unless Max Burgin is focusing seriously on the 1500 next year).

Did Manangoi get injured mid-race again? Is he still going for the WR in Monaco? Maybe his mentor Kiprop will be able to give him a pep talk this week and he will be back to at least sub 3:30 in two weeks.

Why is it that Kejelcha can win world championships and break world records in the winter, then flop so badly every summer? Oh, I think I know.

Nick Willis - now the longest sub 4 minute year by year sequence in history?

Kejelcha is just a poor man's version of Eamonn Coghlan.

Coevett wrote:

Nick Willis - now the longest sub 4 minute year by year sequence in history?

I think O'Sullivan has to have him still. From like 20-21 yrs old to 35-36

nowayjose wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Nick Willis - now the longest sub 4 minute year by year sequence in history?

I think O'Sullivan has to have him still. From like 20-21 yrs old to 35-36

Yes, I think Willis has had a couple of injury years where he didn't break 4 minutes, but according to his IAAF profile his first sub 4 was 2004, which is pretty impressive. Also a 4:01 in 2001,eighteen years ago.

I think we had a thread on this a while back and one of the more surprising runs was Steve Cram, who had something close to a 15 year unbroken sequence of sub 4s right up until he retired in 93.

nowayjose wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Nick Willis - now the longest sub 4 minute year by year sequence in history?

I think O'Sullivan has to have him still. From like 20-21 yrs old to 35-36

Update, they both have 16 consecutive years. O'S from 1983 to 1998, Willis 2004 to 2019. Also, Willis ran 3:54 in Feb, so he had it then.

Coevett wrote:

Did Manangoi get injured mid-race again? Is he still going for the WR in Monaco?

Nope, he has let that idea slip. He is down to a PR now:

- I still hope to run a world record time in the 1,500m. If it comes my way, it will be good. I want to run my personal best in Monaco this year.

Didn't watch this live, and glad I didn't, it was a turkey of a meet. Serves the dope-kingdom US track world right to have its flagship elite meet flop. Main takeaways:

) heard a guy boo Semenya, right around the finish. But only one.

) Hellen Obiri is toast.

) indoor heroes nearly always regress outdoors; forget Kejelcha this summer.

) dope-loving US fans cheered notorious doper Gatlin like they always do.

Coevett wrote:

Why is it that Kejelcha can win world championships and break world records in the winter, then flop so badly every summer? Oh, I think I know.

So, can you please explain why?

Bad Wigins wrote:

Didn't watch this live, and glad I didn't, it was a turkey of a meet. Serves the dope-kingdom US track world right to have its flagship elite meet flop. Main takeaways:

) heard a guy boo Semenya, right around the finish. But only one.

) Hellen Obiri is toast.

) indoor heroes nearly always regress outdoors; forget Kejelcha this summer.

) dope-loving US fans cheered notorious doper Gatlin like they always do.

+1

Especially the fans cheering for Gatlin. Lol

After yesterday I think his ambition for Monaco should be to avoid a DFL. I predicted after the last race of last season (the Continental Cup) that that would be the last time he would beat Jakob, and most people here laughed.

Semiler wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Did Manangoi get injured mid-race again? Is he still going for the WR in Monaco?

Nope, he has let that idea slip. He is down to a PR now:

- I still hope to run a world record time in the 1,500m. If it comes my way, it will be good. I want to run my personal best in Monaco this year.

Coevett wrote:

Just woke up and watched the race on YouTube. My observations.

Whites were amazing.

Blacks doped.

Right...

Bad Wigins wrote:

Didn't watch this live, and glad I didn't, it was a turkey of a meet. Serves the dope-kingdom US track world right to have its flagship elite meet flop. Main takeaways:

) heard a guy boo Semenya, right around the finish. But only one.

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That guy in Sect. 2 Row 1 got a lot of jeers thrown at him by P.C. Know-nothings. Hell, even in Eugene Semanya is roundly applauded.

After the finish I muttered, “Another victory for the Y chromosome.” The quite obvious female supporter of women’s sports in front of me retorted, “That’s not true!” Another low-info member of the public who doesn’t know that Semanya is XY. Ironic that this ignorance will destroy the women’s sports she loves.