"Transgender Track Star Claims To Be “Disadvantaged” Racing Against Girls"

joedirt wrote:

crazy times wrote:

"You can dope up a top XX as much as you want and they will never be a top XY runner."

I don't know, Jarmila and Marita at their doped to the gills best could handle Caster in a 800 and 400. But they probably couldn't hang with the guys.

That is exactly my point. There is an advantage to being XY that can't be overcome by drugs. Jarmila and Marita would still get killed by top XY. Just because they could beat some average XY by XY standards (Caster) doesn't matter. No amount of drugs will make the best XX as good as the top XY.

It is a fairytale that going in reverse and requiring an XY to "dope-down" levels this advantage somehow. It is just wishful thinking. We have someone like Caster who is at best high school level XY competing at the highest levels of XX competition. It is a total embarrassment.

So- Telfer is doing the reality show attention garbage skit. Satisfied on that.

I don’t know Semenyas history, but hypothesis-

Semenya- probably raised as a “girl” by parents because, she gets born, doctor picks her up and says, “it’s a girl.”

As she grows into her future stature and muscles, people start saying, whoa, not what we thought?

Doesn’t make the argument right, but seems to me Semenya has more historical justification to be in a female race than Telfer the flat out bio cheat (obviously).

Full name- Mokgadi Caster, is that a female name? Married Violet Raseboya. So is she a lesbian or sees herself as a man/husband?

I bring this up for additional context because the Tefler video of herself talking about her issues that straight men won’t hit on her. I gather she hates straight women and has leveraged the pathetic PC NCAA to get revenge on them. Who knows? Serious issues. So so so strange.

People argue- why are people so concerned with trans MTF athletes? Because they abuse real female athletes. And once we start getting into the ideology of the MTF athletes, a personality disorder becomes very obvious. PC culture doesn’t have a spine to draw the line.

Ps, a deserving female got cheated out of the D2 NCAA finals. And before that, another deserving female was cheated off the list to compete at D2 NCAA nationals and had to stay at home. Cheated a memory of a lifetime. Diversity by exclusion.

Here is your proof Prove Me Wrong. Semenya, Wambui and Niyonsaba pretty much all have Swyer Syndrome:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_gonadal_dysgenesis

So they cannot get pregnant, do not have ovaries, etc. Quite honestly the IAAF requirement of hormone suppression therapy is what is typically medically done in cases like this anyhow, so it is somewhat disingenuous of the world medical association to say

If physicians do apply these drugs they do break ethical codes. The basic ethical code of all medical practice is never do harm, and it is doing harm to a perfectly normal body with just a rather high level of testosterone by administering drugs to use this in order to make them legible for women's sport under these regulations.

When the standard of care for Swyer Syndrome is HRT and surgery (due to the high risk of developing cancer). Basically their statement implies that every other doctor in the world is causing harm when they treat patients with Swyer Syndrome in the manner that the IAAF is requiring if these individuals want to compete in female athletics.

I very much doubt they have Swyer's Syndrome. It requires that the gonads - ovaries or testes - are non-functioning. That isn't the case with Semenya - or with the other intersex athletes mentioned. Semenya does not have ovaries but her testes are functional - if they weren't she would not be producing testosterone like any other biological male and be thus subject to the IAAF ruling to reduce her testosterone levels. The same situation is likely with Nyonsaba and Wambui, because without testosterone produced by testes they would not exhibit their conspicuous masculinisation in

appearance, nor possess such athletic ability that they have. This is borne out by their refusal to take hormone treatment in order to compete. This would not be necessary if they had Swyer's Syndrome.

Anyone have any doubt that after her athletic career is over, maybe before, Semenya will father a child?

I believe as a byproduct of redefining sex as gender identity, the EA would not only allow biological men that assert a female identity to compete as women, but would additionally prevent sports governing bodies from requiring MtF transgender athletes to undergo hormone treatment or similar. They would be women under the law, after all. What legal basis would there be for treating some women differently than others?

You mean like weight classes in wrestling?