Malmo: Can you weigh in on the comparative difficulty of doubling 5k/10k vs 5k/steeple at NCAAs?

10k/steeplek wrote:

Dan Lincoln had a nice 10k/steeple double a few years back.

I think he did it two or three times, scoring a boatload of point for Arkansas. A one-man wrecking crew!

OP here wrote:

Why so angry?

What the heck are you talking about? You really need to go outside and have fun, even in Phoenix. I'm serious.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

In 1978 Rono ran heats of 8:18 and 13:22 on the same day. It was crazy because he could have qualified with times of around 8:35 and 14:00. The next day he won with an 8:12, but passed on the 5000 which was won by Rudy Chapa in 13:35.

It wasn't crazy. He was doing that because he could.

6/1/78 2:45 pm 3000m Steeplechase (inside water jump)

Heat 1

1:07 (67)

2:13 (66)

3:19 (66)

4:28 (69)

5:34 (66)

6:42 (68)

7:46 (64)

8:18.6 (32)

6/1/78 7:00 pm 5000m (all splits 440 yards)

Heat 2 Remember he was sprinting the straights then jogging the turns, then switched to sprinting the turns and jogging the straights.

1:05 (65)

2:06 (61)

3:05 (59)

4:08 (63) 1 mile

5:15 (67)

6:17 (62)

7:27 (70)

8:33 (66) 2 miles

9:41 (68)

10:50 (69)

11:55 (65)

12:56 (61) 3 miles

13:21.79

Finish (58.3, 202.9, 4:18.2)

Heat 2

1 13:21.79 (NCAA meet record) Henry Rono WSU

2 13:53.97 Joshua Kimeto

3 14:05.41 Joseph Nzau Wyoming

4 14:05.74 Robert Snyder Penn State

5 14:11.36 Gary Hoftetter North Carolina

6 14:11.7 Gerry Deegan Providence

7 14:13.4 Jim Schankel Cal Poly SLO

8 14:14.5 Tom Wysocki Nevada-Reno

9 14:20 Bill McChesney Oregon

10 14:21 Eric Lathrop Houston

11 14:28 Manfred Kohrs Texas AM

12 14:30 Dale Kramer Carelton College

13 14:33 Bill McGrath Cleveland State

14 14:33 Tom Marino Southern Methodist

15 14:34 Steve Placescia Minnesota

16 14:35 Michael Sawyer So. Illinois

17 14:56 Jim Flynn Villanova

18 14:57 Dave Fulton Oregon State

19 15:00 Dave Cornwell Maryland

malmo wrote:

OP here wrote:

Why so angry?

What the heck are you talking about? You really need to go outside and have fun, even in Phoenix. I'm serious.

My original post was a legitimate question posed poorly. I apologize. Just wanted to generate some NCAA discussion. Enjoy your weekend.

Runningart2004 wrote:

Isn’t the SC kind of a niche event anyway?

Alan

Yes, because not everyone can do it. It is probably better described as a specialist event.

You too. Enjoy.

You don't need to apologize for your question. It was kind of you to think I might have something to offer, but I didn't. That's all. Besides I wasn't even following the womens 5000 and steeplechase. Believe it or not, I'm not compelled to speak just to fill up empty space. (chuckle)

Sometimes the best advise comes from a talking horse.

A horse is a horse, of course, of course,

And no one can talk to a horse of course

That is, of course, unless the horse is the famous Mr. Ed.

Go right to the source and ask the horse

He'll give you the answer that you'll endorse.

He's always on a steady course.

Talk to Mr. Ed.

People yakkity yak a streak and waste your time of day

But Mister Ed will never speak unless he has something to say.

A horse is a horse, of course, of course,

And this one'll talk 'til his voice is hoarse.

You never heard of a talking horse?

Well listen to this.

I am Mister Ed.

barrier-challenged wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

Isn’t the SC kind of a niche event anyway?

Alan

Yes, because not everyone can do it. It is probably better described as a specialist event.

But everyone is invited to try. ;-)

“Come with uncle and hear all proper. Hear angel trumpets and devil trombones...you are invited!” -- Anthony Burgess

Where did you find the 5000 heat info? McChesney running 14:20 is evidence of yet another season that was lost to injuries. There was a picture of Chapa winning the race with a lapped Robert Snyder a couple of steps behind him.

Henry Rono was a grown ass 26 year old man beating up children in '78.

as it were wrote:

Henry Rono was a grown ass 26 year old man beating up children in '78.

He sure was in hell of shape in 78. Here's him at the common wealth games in 78. F-ing built for a distance runner.

Lots of folks have run one 3k steeple and decided relatively soon after the race that one was enough.

The 10k is two 5k's back to back with NO REST.

Then a 5k again 2 days later. That's 15 kilometers total.

The 5k plus 3k steeple only adds up to 8 kilometers, plus the 19 minute rest makes it much easier.

The 10k plus 5k double is nearly twice the distance and is much more difficult.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

In 1978 Rono ran heats of 8:18 and 13:22 on the same day. It was crazy because he could have qualified with times of around 8:35 and 14:00. The next day he won with an 8:12, but passed on the 5000 which was won by Rudy Chapa in 13:35.

Rono did that because he was PO'd at the WSU coach.

Rono wanted to break the world record, but petty John Chaplin told him NOT to do it in Oregon.

Therefore, Rono did what he did, and refused to run in the final.