Caster Semenya to run 2000m and 3000m ... how does this make sense?

Semenya is fairly stockily built, so not ideal for 3000 m if one look at the traditional body type for that distance. That said, I would be surprised if she doesn't go on to have a PB of 8:30 ish which is still competitive.

thats the thing,are runners like semenya all xy athletes? or are some of them biological females who happen to have unusually high levals of testosterone?i think caster may have xy chromosones,but we dont know this for a fact,about francine niyonsaba,margaret wambui,dorcas ajok,kabange mupopo and others.the kenyan maximilla imali has been thrown off their national team due to high levals of testosterone, but that might not make her xy.from what ive read dutee chand is xx,but has higher testosterone than is usual for a woman.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Time to BOYcott wrote:

Any actual females who line up next to Caster are just contributing to the problem. Walk off... each and every time Semenya is scheduled to compete against actual females.

This sport is already being sunk with all the drug related issues..... this other nonsense has to go.

Create a third category and have them compete against their own, just like Special Olympics.

The Pre 3000 is loaded and Semenya is unlikely to finish in the top 10. Why should anyone boycott the race? To protect the 11th place finisher?

not to mention a lot of women are a lot more sympathetic than the men on these boards on a complex issue. LRC is a vacuum. the general public and competing athletes are not going to think like this place does.

jeff tallon wrote:

thats the thing,are runners like semenya all xy athletes? or are some of them biological females who happen to have unusually high levals of testosterone?i think caster may have xy chromosones,but we dont know this for a fact,about francine niyonsaba,margaret wambui,dorcas ajok,kabange mupopo and others.the kenyan maximilla imali has been thrown off their national team due to high levals of testosterone, but that might not make her xy.from what ive read dutee chand is xx,but has higher testosterone than is usual for a woman.

The first three athletes in the 800m at Rio were all DSD46XY. Those athletes who are 46XX cannot have levels of testosterone anywhere near 46XY athletes. Male levels of testosterone are typically 10-20 times higher than for females. 46XX athletes cannot have male levels of testosterone. So if athletes have to reduce their levels of testosterone to confirm with the IAAF limit of 5nm then they will necessarily be 46XY.

Jo72 wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Well, her her 3000 PR is 9:36 so she has a ways to go. It was discussed in another thread that no male or female has ever been world class at both 400 and 3000+.

Well, Semenya is strictly speaking neither male nor female and very few people have tried to be world class at both 400m and 3000m. And we don't even know how hard Semenya tried at the 1500m.

The fastest 800m/3000m combinations is probably from (doper) Kazankina (1:54.94 and 8:22). I don't expect Semenya to run that fast but it does not seem impossible.

What is cool about this discussion is that we will be able to see it play out at Pre. It's not like the debate as to whether Babe Ruth could play in today's MLB.

It doesn’t make sense- it makes dollars

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Time to BOYcott wrote:

Any actual females who line up next to Caster are just contributing to the problem. Walk off... each and every time Semenya is scheduled to compete against actual females.

This sport is already being sunk with all the drug related issues..... this other nonsense has to go.

Create a third category and have them compete against their own, just like Special Olympics.

The Pre 3000 is loaded and Semenya is unlikely to finish in the top 10. Why should anyone boycott the race? To protect the 11th place finisher?

To stop athletes with an unfair advantage from competing and making the sport more of a joke than it already is. One small step......

ayyyyy wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

The Pre 3000 is loaded and Semenya is unlikely to finish in the top 10. Why should anyone boycott the race? To protect the 11th place finisher?

not to mention a lot of women are a lot more sympathetic than the men on these boards on a complex issue. LRC is a vacuum. the general public and competing athletes are not going to think like this place does.

Perhaps, but do you know which females might take offense? I’d guess the ones that train their tails off, only to lose to “her” in a race. They are the ones that will just up and leave the sport.... a sport that is already dying because of nonsense like this and the drug pushing coaches (some of which post here).

yeah,but what about dutee chand? i dont think shes xy.its never been suggested.

Time to BOYcott wrote:

ayyyyy wrote:

not to mention a lot of women are a lot more sympathetic than the men on these boards on a complex issue. LRC is a vacuum. the general public and competing athletes are not going to think like this place does.

Perhaps, but do you know which females might take offense? I’d guess the ones that train their tails off, only to lose to “her” in a race. They are the ones that will just up and leave the sport.... a sport that is already dying because of nonsense like this and the drug pushing coaches (some of which post here).

What you're suggesting is absolutely nuts. Dibaba should retire because Semenya is running in the Pre 3000?

What if Caster beats Dibaba, Obiri, and Ayana. If not now at the next Olympics? No one really knows Caster's potential as I don't believe Caster has ever really shown it. How will they (Dibaba, Obiri, Ayana) react?

????????? wrote:

What if Caster beats Dibaba, Obiri, and Ayana. If not now at the next Olympics? No one really knows Caster's potential as I don't believe Caster has ever really shown it. How will they (Dibaba, Obiri, Ayana) react?

If it's at the Olympics, it would be at 5000. If she could win, she would have, by far, the greatest range of any runner in history.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

????????? wrote:

What if Caster beats Dibaba, Obiri, and Ayana. If not now at the next Olympics? No one really knows Caster's potential as I don't believe Caster has ever really shown it. How will they (Dibaba, Obiri, Ayana) react?

If it's at the Olympics, it would be at 5000. If she could win, she would have, by far, the greatest range of any runner in history.

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There are thousands of XY who have/could/can run sub 50 for 400 and sub 14 for 5000m.

Caster would be very far from being the first. I don’t think I hat she has the ability to be sub 14 however.

colorunner123 wrote:

None of this really makes sense. As a matter of logic, if high-testosterone XY athletes have an unfair advantage over XX athletes in the 400, 600, 800, 1000, 1500, 1600 and mile, then it seems obvious that they also have an unfair advantage in the 200, 300, 2000, 3000, and so on, not to mention road races and cross country races.

The ban on XY athletes in women's sports should have been applied to all track and field events, not just those between the 400 and mile.

I agree with you 100 percent.

No Y chromosome people should EVER be allowed to compete in XX women's events.

And I certainty don't feel sorry for any XY people, especially since they are knowingly cheating.

Gyv wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

If it's at the Olympics, it would be at 5000. If she could win, she would have, by far, the greatest range of any runner in history.

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There are thousands of XY who have/could/can run sub 50 for 400 and sub 14 for 5000m.

Caster would be very far from being the first. I don’t think I hat she has the ability to be sub 14 however.

Semenya is world class at 400 so you can't compare her to a guy that can run 49. Sanya Richards was one second faster than Semenya at 400 meters; do you think she could have won gold at 5000? The times are the same, but it takes more fast twitch muscles for a woman to run 49.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Gyv wrote:

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There are thousands of XY who have/could/can run sub 50 for 400 and sub 14 for 5000m.

Caster would be very far from being the first. I don’t think I hat she has the ability to be sub 14 however.

Semenya is world class at 400 so you can't compare her to a guy that can run 49. Sanya Richards was one second faster than Semenya at 400 meters; do you think she could have won gold at 5000? The times are the same, but it takes more fast twitch muscles for a woman to run 49.

People are getting very confused here. Caster competes in the Female Category simply because her birth certificate says that she is a girl. Others could participate in the Female Category because their passport says intersex (which is the IAAF rule). What does that have anything to do with the fast twitch muscle (genetics) of a woman (I assume that you mean XX)? You don’t magically turn into an XX because your passport or birth certificate says that you are a woman. No legal document can change genetics.

jeff tallon wrote:

yeah,but what about dutee chand? i dont think shes xy.its never been suggested.

What makes you think Chand is not XY? Because she looks more feminine? That is not determined by chromosome. If your body cannot respond to androgen, you may look feminine even if you are XY and have high T-level.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Time to BOYcott wrote:

Perhaps, but do you know which females might take offense? I’d guess the ones that train their tails off, only to lose to “her” in a race. They are the ones that will just up and leave the sport.... a sport that is already dying because of nonsense like this and the drug pushing coaches (some of which post here).

What you're suggesting is absolutely nuts. Dibaba should retire because Semenya is running in the Pre 3000?

No, the opposite actually. The legit females should compete against each other.......period (pun intended). If Caster wins every time, the others are robbed, won't get sponsored, etc.

Some people make the same argument regarding Dibaba (take your pick of which one). Chemically assisted women are not that much different from Caster and those with her condition.

Ghsgshs wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Semenya is world class at 400 so you can't compare her to a guy that can run 49. Sanya Richards was one second faster than Semenya at 400 meters; do you think she could have won gold at 5000? The times are the same, but it takes more fast twitch muscles for a woman to run 49.

People are getting very confused here. Caster competes in the Female Category simply because her birth certificate says that she is a girl. Others could participate in the Female Category because their passport says intersex (which is the IAAF rule). What does that have anything to do with the fast twitch muscle (genetics) of a woman (I assume that you mean XX)? You don’t magically turn into an XX because your passport or birth certificate says that you are a woman. No legal document can change genetics.

A 49 guy that could run sub-14 could also run under 1:50 and close to 4:00 for a mile, but she is nowhere near those times.