The 1983 WC meet was the meet high water mark, otherwise all went away after 1986

What's up with this? wrote:

Doping Detector wrote:

Crammy probably the only clean gold medal winner in Helsinki.

That's silly to think that Cram was the only clean gold medal winner. Wülbeck, Coghlan, de Castella & Patriz Ilg all won gold medals and there's no evidence that these guys were doping.

Sorry to have to correct you, but I was part of the Irish team and if you didn't load up with every PED going you had to count on the IRA kneecapping you. Not that most of us even needed that motivation because putting one over the ba$tar d English was motivation enough. There were 30 of us on the team and our coach called us the dirty turty. We got round the blood tests by loading up with 7 or 8 pints of Guinness - it killed all traces of the roids and transfusions. Coghlan and Treacey laughed at Ovett for playing fair. Typical English with their holier than thou 'it's not cricket' attitude to doping. Ovett would have won Gold if he'd been on our stuff, injured or not. He wouldn't even have a pint with us in case it was 'performance enhancing', the limey idiot. It's no co-incidence that Irish athletics went downhill when the troubles were over. There was no need to put one over the English proddy colonizers anymore, so our boys stuck to Guinness in the 90's and enjoyed coming last!

And this ^^ everyone, is Coevett, the one who wants to be taken seriously.

Out of curiosity, how far back does video/film footage of major championships go?

34 Olajuwon wrote:

Out of curiosity, how far back does video/film footage of major championships go?

1983, the first world championship.

Woman’s marathon. Ingrid Kristiansen wins gold and Marianne Dickerson (USA) outkicks the Soviet for silver. Another highlight from 1983 WC.

Sad that both are no longer with us. RIP.

They had to run heats then. Runners today would lie down and throw a tantrum if they had to do that.

Helsinki 83 wrote:

Woman’s marathon. Ingrid Kristiansen wins gold and Marianne Dickerson (USA) outkicks the Soviet for silver. Another highlight from 1983 WC.

Sad that both are no longer with us. RIP.

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Helsinki 83 wrote:

Woman’s marathon. Ingrid Kristiansen wins gold and Marianne Dickerson (USA) outkicks the Soviet for silver. Another highlight from 1983 WC.

Sad that both are no longer with us. RIP.

Ingrid is alive and well and didn't win Jack S at the '83 meet.

Number 4 later caught for using anabolic steroids and later confessed to blood transfusions.

How could I forget about Cova? Just about every top Italian runner back than was on blood transfusions.

Helsinki 83 wrote:

Woman’s marathon. Ingrid Kristiansen wins gold and Marianne Dickerson (USA) outkicks the Soviet for silver. Another highlight from 1983 WC.

Sad that both are no longer with us. RIP.

Flub. Meant Grete Waitz. My apologies. She won that marathon and is sadly no longer with us. Ingrid is of course still with us, and another great runner from Norway.

Star wrote:

1983 had the famous Bert Cameron of Jamaica winning the 400 in 45.05

And drug-free runner Jarmila Kratochvílová winning both the 400 and the 800.

And East German women winning the relays.

Not a single Kenyan in that "most stacked 10K ever."

Which Kenyan did you want in the 10k?

Historica bube noticer wrote:

Star wrote:

1983 had the famous Bert Cameron of Jamaica winning the 400 in 45.05

And drug-free runner Jarmila Kratochvílová winning both the 400 and the 800.

And East German women winning the relays.

Not a single Kenyan in that "most stacked 10K ever."

Which Kenyan did you want in the 10k?

One that comes to my mind.

coach wrote:

34 Olajuwon wrote:

Out of curiosity, how far back does video/film footage of major championships go?

1983, the first world championship.

If one takes European Championships, Commonwealth Games, Olympics as major Athletics events, there is plenty of footage from the 60s and 70s, it gets more difficult before that, I'd guess.

There is even quite a bit from the 1936 Nazi Olympics (Riefenstahl made a big two part documentary about these games, it's on youtube, a lot of it is not from the actual competitons, though.)

34 Olajuwon wrote:

Out of curiosity, how far back does video/film footage of major championships go?

1928 is probably the first championships with clear video footage :

There is a lot of amazing quality color footage of the 1948 Olympics :

I think the first live TV olympic broadcasts were of the 1964 Games, although I guess there should have been some for Rome in 1960 but I haven't found any on YouTube. Crazy to think David Coleman was commentating for the 1964 BBC live coverage of the Olympics and was still doing it 30+ years later.

X_X wrote:

Historica bube noticer wrote:

Which Kenyan did you want in the 10k?

One that comes to my mind.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Musyoki

From memory, Musyoki went to the roads during that time and didn't commit as much to the track until the '84 Olympics. Rono was a non factor. Paul Kipkoech was probably Kenya's best bet and he only ran the 5,000m. For whatever reason that year wasn't a banner year for Kenyan distance running on the track and the situation was nowhere near what we see today with a saturation of East African runners in every event.

Jupperf wrote:

Coevett wrote:

They would have been if Coe and Ovett hadn't gotten injured/ill. Both would have been at their peak probably in 82/83. We would have seen Coe, Ovett, Cram, Aouita, Scott all at close to their best in the 1500m.

Are you aware that Aouita is not white? It is the races with the whites that get you so excited.

Why do your people pretend to be white when it benefits you, then howl that you're not white in order to gain special favor and pretend to be victims? Solzhenitsyn had you folks figured out, his remarks on people like your grandparents running the gulags are telling.

I liked the 1987 meet, too.

But, I have to agree, after the 76 and 80 boycotts, having a true world championship was so refreshing.