Michael MF Norman!!! 43.45!

Yes sir! wrote:

That is correct MJ 43:44 FTW in the finals at the 96 OT trials....

Just curious, in “OT trials” what does the T stand for?

kartelite wrote:Just curious, in “OT trials” what does the T stand for?

Answer to adidas WVN wrote:

Yes, I know! wrote:

I know M.N. races for Nike. I know M.N. is not a college athlete. Don't act as if Nike does not have a history of ruining athletes. Nike has peaked Norman for April. Don't act as if Nike plans on Norman racing 42.25 in September as part of a grand plan.

Nike has zero to do with Norman's training. I hope you're just trolling, and not really this misinformed.

Are you now denying Norman is on Nike payroll?

With W.C. a long time away, peaking a 400m athlete in April is not wise.

Debating me on this issue is the same as whistling through the graveyard.

Thank you Nike spokesman for schooling me on 400m peaking.

kartelite wrote:

Yes sir! wrote:

That is correct MJ 43:44 FTW in the finals at the 96 OT trials....

Just curious, in “OT trials” what does the T stand for?

Track

Team

Tournament

Tribulations and

So, you're denying ... wrote:

Answer to adidas WVN wrote:

Nike has zero to do with Norman's training. I hope you're just trolling, and not really this misinformed.

Are you now denying Norman is on Nike payroll?

With W.C. a long time away, peaking a 400m athlete in April is not wise.

Debating me on this issue is the same as whistling through the graveyard.

Thank you Nike spokesman for schooling me on 400m peaking.

Maybe it is good strategy, and you're just a nardtard.

He needs to break the WR ASAP. Why? Once he breaks the WR, his appearance fees will skyrocket!! Plus he can go back to uncle Phil and renegotiate his contract. He doesn't have to worry about peaking for WC's. Since it will be late Sept/early Oct, he can take a break in training and start up again.

malmo wrote:

Sprintgeezer wrote:

This is great, but WVN’s time is still a world away.?

A very small world. He's already better than WVN's 2nd best time.

Sprintgeezer wrote:

ut then again, the RSA guys have tons of fast early season meets down there.

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It's not "early season" down there.

Also note that the Atlanta track was very fast (almost illegally so, Malmo?) and is it is at a non-trivial altitude. JRM's calculator adjusts the 44.44 mark to 44.518. In addition, if you look at the videos you will see that there is considerable wind. It was reported the 200 had a -2.2mps reading, and it looked like a cross wind, so the speed was likely something in the -3mps range when the 200 was run, although I do not know what it was at the time of the 400). Races in Olympic stadiums are typically with calm winds because the entire stadium is surrounded.

So, I think that this race is [intrinsically - not sure that is right word] superior to MJ's; however it is also 22 years later.

We've updated the article with post-race comments from Norman.

Post-race interview with Norman here:

So, you're denying ... wrote:

Are you now denying Norman is on Nike payroll?

Obviously he's not on payroll; he's not a Nike employee.

Like every "Nike athlete," he is an independent contractor with a narrowly specified set of obligations, none of which have anything to do with his training.

TAA wrote:

Tied with Wariner's 43.45 for 6th fastest 400 ever:

1 43.03 Wayde van Niekerk

2 43.18 Michael Johnson

3 43.29 Harry Reynolds

4 43.39 Michael Johnson

5 43.44 Michael Johnson

6 43.45 Jeremy Wariner

Who is Harry Reynolds?

Short Bus Kid wrote:

TAA wrote:

Tied with Wariner's 43.45 for 6th fastest 400 ever:

1 43.03 Wayde van Niekerk

2 43.18 Michael Johnson

3 43.29 Harry Reynolds

4 43.39 Michael Johnson

5 43.44 Michael Johnson

6 43.45 Jeremy Wariner

Who is Harry Reynolds?

What it says on his birth certificate, passport, social security card, drivers license,

Short Bus Kid wrote:

TAA wrote:

Tied with Wariner's 43.45 for 6th fastest 400 ever:

1 43.03 Wayde van Niekerk

2 43.18 Michael Johnson

3 43.29 Harry Reynolds

4 43.39 Michael Johnson

5 43.44 Michael Johnson

6 43.45 Jeremy Wariner

Who is Harry Reynolds?

Someone with a fast 400m PB.

Mind-blowing that he could open in that time. Remember a few years ago when there was a friendly rivalry between two great, great high school kids, Lyles and Norman? They are living up to the promise they showed and more. It would not be shocking at all if Norman breaks 43 this year. You have to worry about incredible early season times meaning an early peak and injury or a loss of sharpness before World's, but Norman is on another level already. WVN beat this time once. And you couldn't want better representatives for the sport than Norman and Lyles.

zxvzxcv wrote:

Mind-blowing that he could open in that time. Remember a few years ago when there was a friendly rivalry between two great, great high school kids, Lyles and Norman? They are living up to the promise they showed and more. It would not be shocking at all if Norman breaks 43 this year. You have to worry about incredible early season times meaning an early peak and injury or a loss of sharpness before World's, but Norman is on another level already. WVN beat this time once. And you couldn't want better representatives for the sport than Norman and Lyles.

Perhaps Norman and his coach (still with his coach from USC?) are planning a double peak since worlds is so late, thus the early form (though this is mind blowing even if that is the case)

malmo wrote:

Sprintgeezer wrote:

This is great, but WVN’s time is still a world away.?

A very small world. He's already better than WVN's 2nd best time.

Lot's of long jumpers jumped better than Bob Beamon's 2nd best LJ, but they were still "a world away" from 29'. Right? Right.

Bad Wigins wrote:

tall short dude wrote:

MN is 6'3"

WVN is 5'11"

Good. Then he only looked short next to the 6'7" giant in lane 3 and the 6'5" mini-giant in lane 5.

In that case, short sprinters are still on the way out! Soon it's gonna be 6 footers across the board.

classic Wigins: states something categorically incorrect, get's called on it, doesn't admit mistake, but tries to turn it around to prove that's he's correct about some previous statements he's made. Or something like that.

(and as far as "Soon it's gonna be 6 footers across the board.", don't go out on a limb or anything. Soon 6' will not be considered tall at all. It's already fairly average. )

It was crazy watching them at the Olympic Trials, as they looked like pros at age 18 or so. Still, both of their progression has been about as good as you could foresee. Lyles is now a consistent 19.6 performer (unheard of except for Bolt), and Norman looks like he'll be a consistent 43-mid guy or faster which is also pretty unheard of (except for a healthy WVN).

zxvzxcv wrote:

Mind-blowing that he could open in that time. Remember a few years ago when there was a friendly rivalry between two great, great high school kids, Lyles and Norman? They are living up to the promise they showed and more. It would not be shocking at all if Norman breaks 43 this year. You have to worry about incredible early season times meaning an early peak and injury or a loss of sharpness before World's, but Norman is on another level already. WVN beat this time once. And you couldn't want better representatives for the sport than Norman and Lyles.

Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:

malmo wrote:

A very small world. He's already better than WVN's 2nd best time.

Lot's of long jumpers jumped better than Bob Beamon's 2nd best LJ, but they were still "a world away" from 29'. Right? Right.

Epic analogy failure. "Lots of long jumpers" and WVN are not even remotely comparable.

Honestly, it makes me happy that this didn’t happen at a diamond league meeting.