Craig Engels on Kejelcha Being in Wanamaker "I was kind of pissed actually. It's usually all Americans and Nick Willis"

Growing up and living at high altitude is a unfair advantage.

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6248975

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ferrari-armstrong-could-have-reached-the-same-level-without-doping/

37356 wrote:

Hey brojos, when will you ban this racist douche?

How would he ban Engels, who doesn't even post here?

Besides that, the brojos apparently agree with him, which is not at all surprising.

Engels must get his history facts from rojo.

http://www.runningpast.com/wanamaker_mile.htm

jiaaf wrote:

wejo wrote:

Did you actually listen to him? Or just read it?

Definitely didn't sound like a cry baby. He sounded honest.

I had just read it when I posted. It sounds pathetic. It can be pathetic and honest. After watching it, he appears to be joking. However, unless this is just shtick it is entirely pathetic.

You people need to chill. He's totally joking.

jiaaf wrote:

that doesn't make sense wrote:

The content relayed by the OP included a video. Why didn't you watch it first, and then comment, as opposed to the reverse? You should know that words come across differently in video as opposed to text snippets.

I stand by my comment. You will NEVER tell me what to do.

I hope you guys aren't much older than 14 or 15.

Now THAT would be pathetic.

I actually will slightly modify my reaction. I did not realize just how out of his league Engles is in relation to Kejelcha. Engels is right to want to avoid competition with Kejelcha. Engels should be in the slow heat in almost any race 1 mile and above, in relation to runners of the caliber of Kejelcha. I agree with Engels in his implicit confession of inferiority as an athlete in relation to Kejelcha. Engels is a very good middle distance runner in the U.S., but he is not the type who should be competing with the best in the world, and he acknowledged that in the interview.

Based on things I’ve heard 2nd or 3rd hand from people who regularly interact with him, I would be pretty surprised if Engels were “very fit” and in the neighborhood of breaking any records. I think he’s more of an Andrew Wheating type guy, mostly just in it for fun and fame, rather than the sort who’s willing to do all of the little things every day to reach his max potential. I’m not even judging him, it’s just a different lifestyle choice.

Do you even know Craig? wrote:

You people need to chill. He's totally joking.

Many people can't, and never will be able to recognize jokes.

Hardloper wrote:

Do you even know Craig? wrote:

You people need to chill. He's totally joking.

Many people can't, and never will be able to recognize jokes.

Especially when the jokes are not even remotely funny. When the audience is much wittier than the joker, don’t expect a laugh.

jiaaf wrote:

wejo wrote:

Did you actually listen to him? Or just read it?

Definitely didn't sound like a cry baby. He sounded honest.

I had just read it when I posted. It sounds pathetic. It can be pathetic and honest. After watching it, he appears to be joking. However, unless this is just shtick it is entirely pathetic.

Crybaby is probably the wrong word to use. He didn’t sound like a crybaby. But it sounds strange that a professional is pissed he has to compete against other professionals. It would be like every NBA player went on record to say they are pissed they have to play James Harden.

Point is, until the Americans set the bar higher, they will always be second tier in distance running.

10 men under 3:47 & none indoors

Total tardfest wrote:

jiaaf wrote:

I stand by my comment. You will NEVER tell me what to do.

I hope you guys aren't much older than 14 or 15.

Now THAT would be pathetic.

I am 14 myself.

LetsRun.com wrote: (Engels was dead on on that one. It's amazing how view [sic] African runners have been in the Wanamaker mile)

Africans in the Wanamaker Mile

event / name / code / pos/ date / mark

1 mile Kipchoge Keino KEN 1 27 Jan 1966 4:03.90

1 mile Wilson Waigwa KEN 3 31 Jan 1975 4:00.20

1 mile Filbert Bayi TAN 1 31 Jan 1975 3:59.30

1 mile Wilson Waigwa KEN 2 28 Jan 1977 4:00.50

1 mile Filbert Bayi TAN 3 28 Jan 1977 4:01.80

1 mile Wilson Waigwa KEN 3 27 Jan 1978 3:59.40

1 mile Filbert Bayi TAN 2 27 Jan 1978 3:59.00

1 mile Wilson Waigwa KEN 2 09 Feb 1979 3:56.30

1 mile Sydney Maree RSA 3 09 Feb 1979 3:57.10

1 mile Wilson Waigwa KEN 5 08 Feb 1980 4:01.60

1 mile Sydney Maree RSA 6 12 Feb 1982 3:59.50

1 mile Abdi Bile SOM 4 14 Feb 1986 3:58.16

1 mile Kipkoech Cheruiyot KEN 5 30 Jan 1987 4:00.64

1 mile Abdi Bile SOM 4 05 Feb 1988 3:59.71

1 mile Noureddine Morceli ALG 1 01 Feb 1991 3:53.50

1 mile Peter Rono KEN 5 07 Feb 1992 4:03.84

1 mile Noureddine Morceli ALG 1 05 Feb 1993 3:55.06

1 mile William Tanui KEN 4 04 Feb 1994 4:02.37

1 mile Julius Achon UGA 6 07 Feb 1997 4:01.16

1 mile Laban Rotich KEN 1 13 Feb 1998 3:55.69

1 mile William Tanui KEN 1 05 Feb 1999 3:59.24

1 mile William Tanui KEN 6 04 Feb 2000 4:02.31

1 mile Laban Rotich KEN 3 04 Feb 2000 4:01.93

1 mile Daniel Zegeye ETH 8 02 Feb 2001 4:05.77

1 mile Bernard Lagat KEN 1 02 Feb 2001 3:58.26

1 mile Laban Rotich KEN 2 02 Feb 2001 3:58.40

1 mile Laban Rotich KEN 1 01 Feb 2002 3:57.04

1 mile Leonard Mucheru Maina KEN 3 01 Feb 2002 3:57.68

1 mile Bernard Lagat KEN 2 01 Feb 2002 3:57.36

1 mile Bernard Lagat KEN 1 07 Feb 2003 4:00.36

1 mile Noah Ngeny KEN 4 07 Feb 2003 4:02.92

1 mile Laban Rotich KEN 3 07 Feb 2003 4:02.91

1 mile James Karanu KEN 5 06 Feb 2004 4:07.77

1 mile Eliud Njubi KEN 4 06 Feb 2004 4:06.50

1 mile Bernard Lagat KEN 1 04 Feb 2005 3:52.87

1 mile Laban Rotich KEN 2 04 Feb 2005 4:00.33

1 mile Kenenisa Bekele ETH 2 03 Feb 2006 4:01.57

1 mile Richard Kiplagat KEN 4 03 Feb 2006 4:02.01

1 mile Laban Rotich KEN 5 03 Feb 2006 4:06.78

1 mile Asbel Kipruto Kiprop KEN 2 29 Jan 2010 3:58.03

1 mile Peter van der Westhuizen RSA 4 29 Jan 2010 4:00.35

1 mile Peter van der Westhuizen RSA 6 28 Jan 2011 4:15.82

1 mile Deresse Mekonnen ETH 1 28 Jan 2011 3:58.58

1 mile Silas Kisorio KEN 4 11 Feb 2012 3:55.84

1 mile Lawi Lalang KEN 5 16 Feb 2013 3:54.56

1 mile Lawi Lalang KEN 2 15 Feb 2014 3:52.88

1 mile Lawi Lalang KEN 9 14 Feb 2015 3:57.15

1 mile Edward Cheserek KEN 8 14 Feb 2015 3:56.43

cheers

Lol

Nice one, cotton shirt.

as to whether that is, "a few" or not, the numbers are, of the 400 competitors in the Wanamaker Mile since 1926:

Africans - 48 (12%)

non-Africans not from USA - 140 (35%)

USA - 212 (53%)

that barely more than half of the competitors come from the home country suggests to me that Craig Engels has probably not spent much time reading the history of his own sport.

cheers.

Keep in mind that you can realistically add Lagat a few more times to that list even though he had all his Africaness removed by citizenship.

wejo wrote:

jiaaf wrote:

Engels sounds like a crybaby. This is pathetic.

Did you actually listen to him? Or just read it?

Definitely didn't sound like a cry baby. He sounded honest.

Yes. Honest and racist.

living at altitude training is a unfair advantage. wrote:

Growing up and living at high altitude is a unfair advantage.

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6248975http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ferrari-armstrong-could-have-reached-the-same-level-without-doping/

Right.

Growing up in extreme poverty is such an advantage.

living at altitude training is a unfair advantage. wrote:

Growing up and living at high altitude is a unfair advantage.

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6248975http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ferrari-armstrong-could-have-reached-the-same-level-without-doping/

Kenyans and Ethiopians aren't the only people on the planet who grow up at altitude.

How come this gives them an unfair advantage...but nobody else/