any Californian's thinking of leaving the state?

Sick of Californians wrote:

elviejo wrote:

I'm in the Bay Area too and I'd dearly miss all those things you mentioned but am very worried about the ever rising taxes in this state. Just gets higher and higher yet services, roads, litter and trash abatement keeps getting worse and worse. Seriously thinking of bailing. Tough call.

When you make your exodus to Colorado, Austin, or Salt Lake, please leave your bull$hit policies in California. Everyone showing up here wants to turn their new city into the debacle they just left.

+1000

All this anti-California ranting just comes across as jealousy.

At some point I will need to decide if it is worth an extra $15 k a year in state income tax, plus the high state sales tax for the privilege of living near the coast where the climate is moderate but the roads are crowded and I have a house worth 3 times or so what I could buy for in Nevada

Yeah, California has some very expensive homes, but also some ludicrously inexpensive ones. I have a friend who's lived in a variety of places in the interior of the state and he's never paid over $150,000 for a house. He got a place near Santa Rosa for about $110,000.

old guy 72 wrote:

All this anti-California ranting just comes across as jealousy.

Wow, I bet your old man feelings were hurt, eh? It's not ranting, it's facts. Do try to think better.

Respectfully, another old man who used to live there.

Needledik wrote:

Aside from being able to run 365 days a year if wanting to do so,

Any of you guys bail out and move somewhere you like more?

Too many things to hate out here. Insane home prices nobody can afford, traffic 24/7, the lovely (lazy)neighbors that come from across the border that speak zero English and are supported by our taxes and expect everything be given to them for free.....

Dude go away with the racism you're spewing in the last line. The food stamp capital of the US is in a town that's 99% white. There is no national language here. This country was taken from indigenous people. When rich people have so much in this country we should absolutely tax them and create a social safety net for people. Stop trying to represent everyone with your small example of one person taking advantage of welfare.

There was a state not so long ago who implemented drug testing before people got welfare checks. The testing ended up costing the state money because by and large people were not on drugs. People are out here working hard, working long hours, working multiple jobs, working odd hours. We don't need your racism.

As punishment for your racism you should not be allowed to eat tacos ever again.

CA is now running hell wrote:

Needledik wrote:

Aside from being able to run 365 days a year if wanting to do so,

What planet are you from?

You are obviously from planet Trump. Please stay there.

Sounds like most of you familiar with California get my point. Thanks for all the re-assuring responses. It's just getting out of control here. We always use the excuse of " oh, how we will miss the beaches..." But seriously, unless you live ON the beach, how often do you navigate the unbearable traffic to even get there?

And those of you accusing me of racism, please get some thicker skin. I work in an industry where most of my clients are getting free $$$$ from the government and have no desire to return to work. And on top of it they get pissed at me for not being fluent in their language. If I go to France, do I get pissed at the waiter at a restaurant that they don't speak English? Get over it.....

Beast Coast vs Left Coast - it's all the same. Housing prices and taxes are killing everyone. Only places that are affordable are the crapholes in the middle of the country. Add the immigrants and it's almost not worth staying in the US any more. I've considered moving to Canada but they're all kinda dumb and Mexico doesn't speak englush. Maybe some place like New Zealond where it's peaceful and affordable. Heck can work remote like most of the US does and just rake in the cashola.

Needledik wrote:

Aside from being able to run 365 days a year if wanting to do so,

Any of you guys bail out and move somewhere you like more?

Too many things to hate out here. Insane home prices nobody can afford, traffic 24/7, the lovely (lazy)neighbors that come from across the border that speak zero English and are supported by our taxes and expect everything be given to them for free.....

"Insane home prices nobody can afford" - Guess why home prices are so insane? Because it is a more desirable place to live than anywhere else. You can't afford to live here? Don't blame me that you are a loser.

"Traffic 24/7" - People beget traffic. And why are there so many people here? Oh, because it is the best place in America to live.

"The lovely (lazy)neighbors that come from across the border that speak zero English and are supported by our taxes and expect everything be given to them for free." - Well, yeah . . . except that those neighbors you speak of are among the hardest working people in the country, doing jobs that "real" Americans like you are too lazy to do. Oh yeah, they also pay more in taxes than they take out - your Social Security System would be in far more trouble than it already is without these neighbors propping it up.

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Care to try again?

ocracoke wrote:

Sdfsdfsdfsdfsdfsdf wrote:

Every time I think about cashing out of my house here in the bay area to buy a sweet remote property in a flyover state, I catch myself thinking of all the things I would be leaving behind if I left: a huge range of great produce, dozens of music venues both to attend and to play at, easy access to both mountains and the ocean, average summer highs of 75 at my house and winter highs around 50, etc.

I don't love the traffic of course, but I mitigated that issue by changing to a job I do mostly from home and when I do need to drive, it is off hours.

If I could have those 20 to 50 acres I want, it would be pretty much perfect.

Glad you are enjoying it.....How's your black lung and hacking cough working out?

Time to stop watching Fox news. I get weekly texts and phone calls about every dang fire out here and every mild earthquake. Apparently the cities I live near are covered in fecal matter, but I haven't seen any of that either. The smoke was only bad for maybe two days where I live and I didn't miss a single day running. I was "forced" to drive 30 minutes to the beach and get my run in there. It was horrifying.

""Insane home prices nobody can afford" - Guess why home prices are so insane? Because it is a more desirable place to live than anywhere else. You can't afford to live here? Don't blame me that you are a loser.

"Traffic 24/7" - People beget traffic. And why are there so many people here? Oh, because it is the best place in America to live."

There are huge differences in house pricing between nearby cities and areas because many cities/areas are far less desirable than others. It is not the population expensive zip codes that creates the crowds on the roads. The policies encouraging more and more low income residents just aggravate the issues. The government policies also make the cost of living in CA more. Gasoline taxes and environmental programs total almost $1 per gallon in CA whereas in most states the total is less than half of that. The real estate tax structure greatly favors those with expensive homes that have not moved for many years. Programs guaranteeing retirement with pensions equal to full salary, inflation adjusted, drive up the income taxes. There are real issues in CA.

As a Californian, I agree with you. My previous post was to the OP and his/her absurd characterization of the state.

But wrote:

The real estate tax structure greatly favors those with expensive homes that have not moved for many years.

That's total nonsense. No, it does not.

The greatest benefit is to low income people, especially seniors.

seniors who have lived in their homes for many years, and own expensive homes but pay little in real estate taxes, so yea

I hate to break it to you, but we have been getting a lot of smoke up here in WA as well. We get smoke from OR, WA and BC fires. BC has a hell of a lot of trees. I bet it could burn for decades.

I moved to WA from CA and do prefer it for financial reasons. Houses are cheaper and taxes are lower. No income tax!

CA is now running hell wrote:

Needledik wrote:

Aside from being able to run 365 days a year if wanting to do so,

What planet are you from?

Ever heard of California wildfire smoke that turned most of California north of LA into a living hell?

Have you ever experienced the horrendous air pollution in the Central Valley that traps people indoors sometimes for many consecutive days?

Being able to run 365 days a year is elsewhere in the West.

This is why I am considering moving to Oregon, Washington, Northern Arizona, Utah, Colorado, Idaho, or anywhere in the West where we don't get choked by toxic air. Anyone with common sense would choose even Minnesota winters over this mess.

72 spare the air days in 5 years. 3.9% Still the best weather by far. I can run on a treadmill a few days a year no big deal.

I plan to stay in California no matter what - at least until I reach old age 75+ then maybe retire in Costa Rica or Australia

Thanks to global warming and climate change, California is going to be uninhabitable several decades later. The Pacific NW, Midwest and New England are going to survive.

The Climageddon is coming, whether you like it or not.

http://www.joboneforhumanity.org/

Climageddon wrote:

Thanks to global warming and climate change, California is going to be uninhabitable several decades later. The Pacific NW, Midwest and New England are going to survive.

The Climageddon is coming, whether you like it or not.

The Pacific NW, Midwest and New England are going to burn down unless you boys rake the forests clean. M.A.R.A. -- Make America Rake Again!