The problem isn't always over training with these young high school girls, it's never having down time in a year. They train and lift like pro's but they race a schedule of hs athletes. They start racing - even if tempos - early september. Nike is early december. Indoor is already in full swing so they jump in some shorter events, or like touhy - run hard 5K. Then it's milrose, then states, nationals - mid march. Outdoor starts Early april, even if you skip a meet or two you are full racing last week in april. Nationals is mid June. So maybe two weeks off in June - July and August become the only down time the whole year. Pre-season in NY starts August 10th or so. So maybe 5 weeks - but from what we see with hs kids is the work really hard in the summer. As the body matures it needs more down time, and more recovery. If you don't give it, the body will get injured.
That being said, I believe she trains very hard and a lot. Her interviews say workouts are crazy hard. She clearly lifts a ton. The meets I've seen her at - she does 10 miles or so on race day. So it could be a combination of the over training, and minimial down time that catches up with these young kids.
Tuohy knee injury
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There is no proof of correlation between long seasons and injury. Show me a study.
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Speaking as an elite collegiate athlete I can attest that staying in racing shape and continuing to grind workouts, long runs, races, etc. without giving your body rest and recovery certainly can lead to physical burnout and there is a good chance that eventually something will give.
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In the SI article I linked to earlier, it said that her ideal day is a 10 mile run with lifting, and she runs 7 days per week. So I think it’s safe to say that she runs at least 70 MPW.
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LoneStarXC wrote:
In the SI article I linked to earlier, it said that her ideal day is a 10 mile run with lifting, and she runs 7 days per week. So I think it’s safe to say that she runs at least 70 MPW.
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Heard from a reliable source that she runs 45-50 MPW BUT every mile is done at or below 6:00 pace. She also lifts and does a lot of exercise on top of the running.
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LoneStarXC wrote:
In the SI article I linked to earlier, it said that her ideal day is a 10 mile run with lifting, and she runs 7 days per week. So I think it’s safe to say that she runs at least 70 MPW.
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factcheck wrote:
Heard from a reliable source that she runs 45-50 MPW BUT every mile is done at or below 6:00 pace. She also lifts and does a lot of exercise on top of the running.
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Tuohy entered for this weekend NY State Champs. Does it mean that she will run?
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regrets wrote:
I was a somewhat proficient high school runner - 4:08 mile - who never got injured because, well, I think my form was naturally pretty good, and we did Igloi training - intense but never really over 40 miles a week. Longer runs at a slower, comfortable pace would have really helped me and I wasn't going to get slow doing so - I ran 52 seconds for 400 as 105 pound ninth grader on virtually no training.
In hindsight I wish I had adopted far more of a Van Aaken method towards training in high school and beyond - focusing on a balanced, healthy lifestyle and cardiovascular capability as much as anything else. And this from someone who never had a running injury in high school or NCAA Division 1 - the injury I obtained through an awful attempt at pole vaulting doesn't count. Van Aaken's attention to health and diet - especially if presented to a suburban kid with no habits or parental direction - would have done wonders for me.
It is difficult to comment on the training of this young woman, but she is such a talent, if I were her coach, I would really be conscientious about not over-training. She has plenty of time to really train hard as she gets older - running is not swimming and takes much more patience. In this vein, perhaps this injury could have long term salutary impact.
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Vfvftvtfvtf wrote:
Tuohy entered for this weekend NY State Champs. Does it mean that she will run?
http://www.leonetiming.com/Entries/NYSPHSAAGirls.htm
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well.. wrote:
Speaking as an elite collegiate athlete I can attest that staying in racing shape and continuing to grind workouts, long runs, races, etc. without giving your body rest and recovery certainly can lead to physical burnout and there is a good chance that eventually something will give.
Why else wouldn't everyone simply train year round without any down weeks? There would be no point to not be in race shape 365 days a year
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Anecdotal evidence is not evidence. Craig Mottram says he was 6 weeks from a peak performance any time of the year. High level track athletes are almost always ready to run at a high level.
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fdas wrote:
Anecdotal evidence is not evidence. Craig Mottram says he was 6 weeks from a peak performance any time of the year. High level track athletes are almost always ready to run at a high level.
Yeah, Craig can "say" anything he wants. Athletes lie, just like you;)
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I may have sucked - but I was not all that interested in running. I wanted to play basketball. I was from a poor single mother home, and my burning desire was to show the rich, pretentious elite kids that I could take them on in academics and in terms of career. I succeeded. Both my brother and I (a very good runner) used running (athletic scholarships, then on to the best graduate schools in the country) rather than let it use us, and we have experienced academic, professional and financial success beyond what we could have imagined, giving our children lives that we never could have dreamed of. If this is sucking, believe me, I'll take it. And so would you.
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Same old story. Overambitious coaches and parents run the talent into the ground.
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She had inflammation behind the knee and did not want to risk it in a winnable section meet. That's all I was told so from that I am going to infer it's not terribly serious and she'll likely give it a go on Saturday.
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Update wrote:
As per NY MileSplit, Tuohy out of today's Section 1 championship meet with a knee injury. No other details.
Not a big deal with her having a knee issue. Could be a simple case of tendonitis and needs to rest it for a week or so. NY State Meet means ZERO for her. Rest her up and get her ready for NXN or Footlocker. The bigger issue is "How" she got the injury. If she's running 45-50 mpw at high quality that's not a big deal. She's not beating up her legs or body. If she's banging out 70 mpw at high quality she clearly is stressing her legs and body and all indicators point to her breaking down.
Only athlete, coach, and mom & dad know for sure. I hope it's just tendonitis and not the ladder.
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What, the Ladder? Was she climbing a ladder and fell off?
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sir edmund wrote:
What, the Ladder? Was she climbing a ladder and fell off?
Ladders! If you've ever run track you would know. Ex:The Workout: 200, 400, 800, 1200, 1200, 800, 400, 200.
