How to respond to an anti-vaxxer?

Macdaddy wrote:

One of the worst equvilancies I’ve ever heard. Wow.

Indeed, it doesn't make any sense.

People who promote vaccinations are the ones who need to be held accountable.

it wasn't jenny mccarthy wrote:

Was at a work event the other night and a guy comes out and said he's against vaccinations because they cause autism. How do you respond to someone when this happens?

"Haven't you heard? It turned out the data were fake'.

it wasn't jenny mccarthy wrote:

Was at a work event the other night and a guy comes out and said he's against vaccinations because they cause autism. How do you respond to someone when this happens?

You are not going to convince the person. If you argue, you really are arguing to convince people who are watching.

lol at heavy metals in vaccines wrote:

Playing it Safe wrote:

Could you please list which vaccines contain heavy metals? I'll check back later.

Thanks

The metal in vaccines is very minute. If they are really concerned about metal they would be against the consumption of cheese and tuna.

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/aluminum-in-vaccines-vs-food/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e9zPZhoD7k

I am against consuming tuna, but only because I do not like tuna.

Faulty reasoning. wrote:

i would say the following wrote:

I have no problem with these people, they just need to be held accountable i.e. liable to lawsuits if they harm another child by them not vaccinating their child.

That's like saying that exercising daily, might harm people who jump off cliffs.

Can you please explain how you think this is analogous to the comment you responded too?

Cough on them

Then laugh.

Then say gobble gobble mother f0cker

Truth hurts wrote:

Thimerosal is mercury based, found in flu vaccine...there could be more but it wasn't hard to look this up.

the notion that an unlimited amount of vaccines is completely safe for everyone is very extreme. Maybe there is a legitimate cost-benefit to vaccines that hasn't been looked at for a number of reasons. Parents ought to be allowed to make their own decisions and they need to be informed (preferably from both sides of the argument).....both sides of the argument seem to just try to shut the other side down and there is never any fruitful debate on this......

I don't see why it is outrageous to think that not all bodies will react the same to a vaccine...we all have different genetics and maybe there is a chance some children may respond adversely....

As it turns out, thimerosal hasn't been used in quite some time, and no other vaccines contain heavy metals either.

Additionally, thimerosal and other ethylmercury compounds are quickly cleared from the body and are quite safe.

Playing it Safe wrote:

As it turns out, thimerosal hasn't been used in quite some time, and no other vaccines contain heavy metals either.

Additionally, thimerosal and other ethylmercury compounds are quickly cleared from the body and are quite safe.

Stop. You are wasting your time with idiots, plus, there is a slight chance that one fool may actually read and recognizse what an idiot they have been. We don't want that. I get that anti-vaxxer's are actually a danger to other people - but only those other people who are just as stupid as they are. Let these idiots die out. Get your children vaccinated and let the fools die off. It's good for the species.

""People from Central and South America, ground zero for Zika and other infectious diseases including tuberculosis, dengue, Chagas, Chikungunya and schistosomiasis, make up nearly 15 percent of the illegal-immigrant population".

You wouldn't want more Democrat sanctuary cities with unchecked, unvaccinated illegals, would you?

i would say the following wrote:

I have no problem with these people, they just need to be held accountable i.e. liable to lawsuits if they harm another child by them not vaccinating their child.

Faulty reasoning. wrote:

That's like saying that exercising daily, might harm people who jump off cliffs.

People want to know wrote:

Can you please explain how this is analogous?

Because:

1) exercising daily does not cause other unrelated people to jump off of cliffs to their death;

2) if jumping off cliffs was better than exercising daily, then more people would do it to get in good shape;

3) if jumping off cliffs was healthy, then people who did it wouldn't worry about other people doing exercise.

While you're distracted by the autism straw man, someone else might be pointing out that a population dependent on vaccines is not naturally viable and is headed for catastrophic collapse once those vaccines become unavailable. As they eventually must. History has proven that all civilizations fall.

The intelligent way to deal with polio would have been to let it run its course until the gene pool was naturally resistant. And with diseases in general, reduce the potential for rapid human-to-human transmission over long distance by limiting frequent travel and population density. That's the only long term solution that won't eventually fail in a massive pandemic.

Bad Wigins wrote:

The intelligent way to deal with polio would have been to let it run its course until the gene pool was naturally resistant.

That's not how things work. Malaria has been around for thousands of years and killed billions. We didn't become naturally resistant; we started vaccinating.

Bad Wigins wrote:

While you're distracted by the autism straw man, someone else might be pointing out that a population dependent on vaccines is not naturally viable and is headed for catastrophic collapse once those vaccines become unavailable. As they eventually must. History has proven that all civilizations fall.

The intelligent way to deal with polio would have been to let it run its course until the gene pool was naturally resistant. And with diseases in general, reduce the potential for rapid human-to-human transmission over long distance by limiting frequent travel and population density. That's the only long term solution that won't eventually fail in a massive pandemic.

You go first

DontFeedTheTroll wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

The intelligent way to deal with polio would have been to let it run its course until the gene pool was naturally resistant.

That's not how things work. Malaria has been around for thousands of years and killed billions. We didn't become naturally resistant; we started vaccinating.

Sickle cell disease

facts and reason wrote:

http://canadafreepress.com/article/obamas-refugees-and-surging-deadly-diseases-in-america

""People from Central and South America, ground zero for Zika and other infectious diseases including tuberculosis, dengue, Chagas, Chikungunya and schistosomiasis, make up nearly 15 percent of the illegal-immigrant population".

You wouldn't want more Democrat sanctuary cities with unchecked, unvaccinated illegals, would you?

Only one of those diseases is transmittable between humans and it's easily treated with a course of antibiotics. You can make other arguments against illegal immigration, but that's not one of them.

Playing it Safe wrote:

Only one of those diseases is transmittable between humans and it's easily treated with a course of antibiotics.

False reduction of complexity.

A tick can bite an infected person and then go on to bite an American citizen. A mosquito can do the same.

The elderly with weakened immune systems may succumb to tuberculosis even with antibiotics. It's not 100% safe. You're giving a false sense of security.

Vote Democrat if you want more diseases coming into the country, as well as having to pay more taxes to pay for the healthcare of illegals.

facts and reason wrote:

https://www.oatext.com/Pilot-comparative-study-on-the-health-of-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-6-to-12-year-old-U-S-children.php

"In conclusion, vaccinated homeschool children were found to have a higher rate of allergies and NDD than unvaccinated homeschool children."

https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/index.html

"In very rare cases, a vaccine can cause a serious problem, such as a severe allergic reaction. In these instances, the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) may provide financial compensation to individuals who file a petition and are found to have been injured by a VICP-covered vaccine." Over $3 billion has been paid.

The Mawson study (which morons always dredge out when the discussion takes place) was funded by Jenny McCarthy's anti-vax foundation and basically proves nothing.

Ok, didn't know that! Thanks for your input...

I didn't know about the mercury content being much less than even a can of tuna....Dr. Greger from nutritionfacts is pretty thorough...

We just want the truth with all of this..It is important to not have a horse in the race. Similarly, I think it is important that we are able to better explain the substantial increase in autism rates (although I think this may be plateauing)...Whenever there is uncertainty (whether autism, cancer, etc.) people will try to explain it and some of the anti-vax arguments are fairly straightforward and compelling...

Explain sickle cell disease wrote:

DontFeedTheTroll wrote:

That's not how things work. Malaria has been around for thousands of years and killed billions. We didn't become naturally resistant; we started vaccinating.

Sickle cell disease

Which is merely the double-recessive form of relatively harmless (and beneficial in tropics) sickle cell trait.

Given enough time, further adaptations would have kicked malaria to the curb entirely. Humans have lived in the tropics for hundreds of thousands of years and undoubtedly won many evolutionary arms races with the countless infectious organisms that thrive there.