GOML wrote:
Deer Native Son,
I assume you will bump this thread, admit you were wrong, and apologize to Coburn if Chepkoech ever tests positive.
At the rate that big-name Kenyans have been getting busted recently, it certainly wouldn’t be a surprise.
Will you bump this thread and apologise to Beatrice if she never tests positive?
Agree with Emma. 100% on her side. Dopers need to be removed from the sport.
I made no claims about doping either way, for either athlete.
And lack of testing positive is hardly proof of being clean, especially given the sorry state of out-of-competition testing Kenya.
Hello there. I'm literally Emma Coburn. First of all I would like to thank all my fans here. You mean the world to me. I don't appreciate the other people supporting dopers. This is like the recent 12:43 and 26:46 times. Those guys will never get the wrs of 12:37 and 26:17 and are just flash in the pans. They will be forgotten about soon and evan if they run fast again I hope they will be banned forever.
Add On wrote:
Bruh....you fail to see what’s important wrote:
1) Emma is super hawt (everyone who is not a closeted homo agrees)
2) All Kenya’s are dopers. Deal wit it bruh.
3) She is willing to call the Kenyan dopers out for doping, which makes her all the hotter.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
This. Emma is badass.
Hope to see more clean runners call out the Kenyans and Ethiopians. As the doping continues you can bett this will happen.
Dear Native Son,
Sadly, this is the state of Distance Running for the past half century. Suspicions are raised whenever there is dramatic improvement at almost any level. Certain programs/coaches/countries are especially under microscopes for good reasons. Both you and Coburn have every right to feel the way you do about the recent WR by Chepkoech. You must admit the numerous Kenyan drug cheaters recently exposed at the highest levels draws suspicion to every miraculous performance. The saddest part to me is that Chepkoech, if clean, will forever be viewed as "probable" cheater to many. It is Coburn's right to comment or not. I watched the WR live and it seemed surreal, but my first thought was "I hope Chepkoech is clean".
GOML wrote:
I made no claims about doping either way, for either athlete.
And lack of testing positive is hardly proof of being clean, especially given the sorry state of out-of-competition testing Kenya.
Testing in Kenya no longer in the state it was two years ago. And since Kenya is the only place where there have been big time busts, I’d say testing in other countries not working as well.
Emma very well could be on the NOP-style microdosing scheme, she certainly isn't lacking for resources, access, or motivation. We have exactly as much evidence as she does on anyone else. Remember, Radcliffe was vocally anti-doping against competitors, too.
Emma has no class. Never going to get an Olympic medal.
Emma is all class, and the World Champ to boot!
Hopefully the cheaters will get busted before the Olympics and she'll win the gold there as well.
gold medal wrote:
Emma is all class, and the World Champ to boot!
Hopefully the cheaters will get busted before the Olympics and she'll win the gold there as well.
Courtney F will win gold and then Emma can complain about her.
Nice_try wrote:
She's doped to the gills. After recent busts you're making bold claims with your post.
Coburn is doped to the gills, and she's trying to pull a Radcliffe.
Exactly ~ wrote:
Nice_try wrote:
She's doped to the gills. After recent busts you're making bold claims with your post.
Coburn is doped to the gills, and she's trying to pull a Radcliffe.
Really? Well, she'had been trying to pull a "Radcliffe", she'd have run 8min 44sec.
Welcome to LRC. You misspelled "Deer"
fdfd wrote:
Agree with Native Son.
Emma is quite egotistical and arrogant to think that she is the greatest steeplechaser of all-time. Emma wasn't even a high school champion, and her highest place in XC for Colorado was 20th.
In the realm of athletes on the planet today, she has limited speed and range. Yes, on a good day she can compete at the highest of levels, but every coach, including Wetmore and her husband have stated her ceiling. She is not Chepkoech, she is not Obiri, she is not Hassan, she is not Dibaba. She is a really great steeplechaser. Period.
But to think she's near the best is asinine. I think there will be several women in the 8:50s within the next Olympic cycle (2024).
You make a good point. Clearly Coburn isn't the biggest American talent in history. She's a 4:03 runner, not a 3:57 runner. So your argument seems to be that one of those massive talents could run 15 seconds faster than her in the steeple and I agree. I certainly think a woman is capable of running sub 8:45 if women can rub sub 14:15. Now, that doesn't mean Chepkoech is necessarily that woman.
I used to use a similar argument for men. I knew Weldon ran 28 flat clean. I knew he was far from the most talented white dude so I could easily see the biggest white dude running a minute faster and maybe an African another 30 seconds faster than that.
rojo wrote:
fdfd wrote:
Agree with Native Son.
Emma is quite egotistical and arrogant to think that she is the greatest steeplechaser of all-time. Emma wasn't even a high school champion, and her highest place in XC for Colorado was 20th.
In the realm of athletes on the planet today, she has limited speed and range. Yes, on a good day she can compete at the highest of levels, but every coach, including Wetmore and her husband have stated her ceiling. She is not Chepkoech, she is not Obiri, she is not Hassan, she is not Dibaba. She is a really great steeplechaser. Period.
But to think she's near the best is asinine. I think there will be several women in the 8:50s within the next Olympic cycle (2024).
You make a good point. Clearly Coburn isn't the biggest American talent in history. She's a 4:03 runner, not a 3:57 runner. So your argument seems to be that one of those massive talents could run 15 seconds faster than her in the steeple and I agree. I certainly think a woman is capable of running sub 8:45 if women can rub sub 14:15. Now, that doesn't mean Chepkoech is necessarily that woman.
I used to use a similar argument for men. I knew Weldon ran 28 flat clean. I knew he was far from the most talented white dude so I could easily see the biggest white dude running a minute faster and maybe an African another 30 seconds faster than that.
Bekele ran 26:17 so 1:43 faster
rojo wrote: I used to use a similar argument for men. I knew Weldon ran 28 flat clean. I knew he was far from the most talented white dude so I could easily see the biggest white dude running a minute faster and maybe an African another 30 seconds faster than that.
WTF??!! Many times over the years here you've nuked others for being "racist." And here you are, baldly stating that the "biggest white dude" (does that include Elf? He's run 26:48 anyway in case you forgot) will be 30 seconds slower than "an African"!!
Mzungu power!
kartelite wrote:
NativeSon wrote:
Dear
I stopped reading after this since you clearly don't know the spelling rules on here.
Carter MF Light sends Native Son home DEVASTATED
portsea57 wrote:
Get real!
8 secs faster than the second fastest steeple chaser? And, guess what, that second faster woman has a doping scandal hanging over her.
So, if we take Ruth out of the equation Beatrice is 14 sec faster than the next best athlete!
If you believe that is legit then you are a complete idiot!
This is the real answer. That's it.
Calling out a suspect time in your event sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
Forget comparing her time to anyone else, look at the performance alone and I don't find it hard to believe.
The women's barriers are almost non-existent, so someone with good efficiency (which Chepkoech has) should be able to convert to the 'chase with a 20-25 second conversion from the flat. She's therefore run around 8.20-24 plus done a bit of skipping - not that hard to believe.
Running 9.0x is the equivalent of running 8.40 ish on the flat. 21 different women ran under 8.40 in the 3k this year in a rarely run event. We need to stop comparing her time to the 'World Class' performance of 9.0x, and realise that this is only the current benchmark because the standard in the event is so poor...