Official Cohen/Manafort Guilty Thread (+I've been driving across the country listening to Limbaugh and MSNBC AMA)

You are sick in the head wrote:

Mueller is winning the battle of PsychOps wrote:

Can you smell the fear sprouting from your not so fearless leader, right wingers? If Cohen, Manafort both fully cooperate, your guy will most likely resign. Mueller only needs to threaten the 290 lbs. fella with the arrest of Donald J Trump Jr. and Jared Kushner. The 70 plus fat man will then resign, guaranteed.

And what does Manafort have? He work Trump for 6 months.

Personal attacks on me are not helping your favorite hefty septuagenarian. It was never supposed to get this far with Manafort. Mueller and his team just want Manafort to talk. Manafort would have gotten a six month sentence if he would have talked six to ten months ago. Why is Manafort willing to do life in prison for the big fat fella? Oh well. Next up Jared &/or Don J. T. Jr. Those two feminine metro-sexuals will talk. Jared and Don J. Trump Jr. are not old school hard as is Manafort.

Mueller is winning the battle of PsychOps wrote:

Can you smell the fear sprouting from your not so fearless leader, right wingers? If Cohen, Manafort both fully cooperate, your guy will most likely resign. Mueller only needs to threaten the 290 lbs. fella with the arrest of Donald J Trump Jr. and Jared Kushner. The 70 plus fat man will then resign, guaranteed.

What makes you think that Jared and Jr. will not flip?

A flip flop wrote:

Mueller is winning the battle of PsychOps wrote:

Can you smell the fear sprouting from your not so fearless leader, right wingers? If Cohen, Manafort both fully cooperate, your guy will most likely resign. Mueller only needs to threaten the 290 lbs. fella with the arrest of Donald J Trump Jr. and Jared Kushner. The 70 plus fat man will then resign, guaranteed.

What makes you think that Jared and Jr. will not flip?

Maybe I wasn't clear in my comm. I DO believe Jared Kushner and Donald J. Trump will talk if this gets to them. If Cohen and possibly Manafort say enough then Mueller won't need Jared &/or Junior. I said I do not believe the two (Jared &/or Junior) have the tolerance to withstand difficult circumstances as possessed by Manafort.

And what will Kushner and Jr confess to? What smoking gun are they concealing?

What evil conspiracy are we talking about, did the Trump team start wars for corporate profit? Did they divulge national security secrets? Did they spy on Americans? It is not a crime to meet with Russians, it is not a crime to pay someone to keep a consensual relationship secret, what are they going to end up getting Trump for, tax discrepancies?

Mahavishnu1500 wrote:

And what will Kushner and Jr confess to? What smoking gun are they concealing?

What evil conspiracy are we talking about, did the Trump team start wars for corporate profit? Did they divulge national security secrets? Did they spy on Americans? It is not a crime to meet with Russians, it is not a crime to pay someone to keep a consensual relationship secret, what are they going to end up getting Trump for, tax discrepancies?

No they had Russia spy on Americans. And yeah, now that the CFO of the Trump organization has been flipped, tax "discrepancies" are in the bag.

A man who understands the wider picture wrote:

https://youtu.be/mDJFQvXN9W8

The truth is Merrick Garland would not have gotten anywhere near enough votes to be confirmed onto the Supreme Court.

Two things with your post:

1) You posted a video of Biden speaking in a hypothetical. This was late June and there was no Supreme Court vacancy at the time. He warned about the idea of having a Justice resign within a few months of the election in order to have that president and that senate quickly confirm a replacement before the election.

And that happens to be what we have today. Justice Kennedy resigned in June, it is now late August and we are looking at having confirmation hearings within two months of an election where the senate could change power (though not likely).

Again, Biden was speaking in hypotheticals and he did not actually block anything.

2) In 2016 there was a vacancy. It it happened because of a death, not retirement of a Justice. And he died in February, not spring, not summer, but well before the election.

Merrick Garland was nominated in March. He could have been confirmed before the conventions and well before the run-up to the election.

As to Garland not getting near enough votes, they needed 2 out of 52 Republicans to vote yes.

And Hatch and other Republicans announced that they supported Garland before Obama actually nominated him.

The only way Garland would not have had enough votes to be confirmed would be out of pure political spite.

And that would set a precedent that no Justice could ever be confirmed if the president and Senate majority were of different parties.

But even if Garland would not get the votes, they should have at least had the vote.

McConnell not having the vote was a violation of the Constitution and he should have been forced to step down.

JohnMcLaughlinMile wrote:

No they had Russia spy on Americans. And yeah, now that the CFO of the Trump organization has been flipped, tax "discrepancies" are in the bag.

This is a revolving door. Trump pays Russians to spy on Americans, NSA pays Russians for info on Trump, gives up when they realize Russians have their hacking tools, kabuki theatre ensues.

Flagpole wrote:Trump is SO criminal that he is pushing the DOJ to consider indicting him while still in office. I don't think it will, but it's not off the table. Of course he could still be indicted after he is out of office.

My best guess is that he resigns and as part of a plea bargain and eventual pardon, he will escape prison. That's a shame because he's a traitor to our country and a serial liar and a criminal of mob proportions.

In any event, he will NOT be able to finish this term.

Mueller is coming for him.

The Orange One is done.

I hope you're right. But I wonder if he is just too detached from reality to accept that he'll have to resign. Maybe Ivanka will have to persuade him to do it.

nontrumper wrote:

And to piggy back on this post...

Wejo, I think your understanding of the Steele Dossier is a bit cloudy due to poor reporting and partisianship. The dossier was an 'intelligence' report and Steele, himself, claimed that it was probably 70-80% accurate. He was gathering intelligence knowing some of the information would likely prove to be untrue. By the way, which parts of his report have been proven to be false? And the Cohen/Prague meeting could have very likely taken place somewhere else in Europe. Time will tell.

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I don't think I'm cloudy on the report. The Steele Report was opposition research paid for by the Clinton campaign. They used a British spy to compile it who used foreign sources. Yes it's an "intelligence" report and much of it may be true. But if Steele contacted Russian spies for some of the information in the report is he getting something of value from a foreign government to influence an election?

Say the Russians came to Trump and said "We've got Hillary's emails and are going to publish them" and him saying "Great". Is that any different/better/or worse from Russian spies going to Steele/Clinton and saying "we've got dirt on Trump from spying on him and are going to give it to you?" What is Steele said he'd pay for the dirt? Is that only ok because there are 2 degrees of separation from Clinton and Steele?

I think a lot of people are only going to care it if can be proven Trump went out and conspired with the Russians to get dirt on Hillary. If they just published stuff they already had a lot aren't going to care.

Not agreeing with you wrote:

Why is wejo listening to Rush Limbaugh? I would expect that from rojo, but I thought he was better than that.

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Have you ever listened to Rush Limbaugh? Like a full show? What about Rachel Maddow? I'd suggest listening to a full show and trying to understand why he is the most popular person on radio in America. Same thing with Maddow and try and understand.

To just blow dismiss Limbaugh or whoever it is is lazy.

Thank you. I wasn't trying to say I agreed with all these ideas but I feel like I do understand them. To just dismiss 45% of the population on either side as idiots I think is condescending and lazy. Try and understand why people are voting a certain way or like someone.

People are good at justifying the actions of people they like or feel they have their back. A rival politician has an affair and he's a scumbag, someone you support has an affair and he's human.

As for Trump, first I think the quote is his supporters take him seriously but not literally,and his opponents take him literally but not seriously. So a lot of his supporters view Trump as a fight promoter so they look more for the general tone of what he's saying than it's veracity.

As for blatant lies, they probably dismiss them as a politician saying stuff to be elected. Or they put up with it because he's on their team. He could be a terribly flawed person who lies, but if he's got their back, and doing more things for them than the alternative they keep backing him. Or they'll say Hillary Clinton lied about worse things. There is relativism for everything.

I wouldn't call it a non-story. Sending cash to a terrorist state (terrorist fighters are going to need to get paid in cash) SECRETLY is a big deal. If it was a non-story it would have been announced transparently.

The dossier was leaked to the press before the election and widely known about but not published. Trump may have released it but that doesn't mean anything. Hillary chose not to release it because that would admit she had funded it (they tried to keep that secret) and it could not be corroborated. If the press had corroborated it they would have published it before the Election.

But imagine Trump had paid Russian spies for dirt on Hillary (there isn't proof Steele paid sources for his dirt but clearly the dirt is from Russian spies?) would that be proof of a Russian Trump conspiracy?

I don't think a lot of people would be surprised if it came out he did a lot of shady business stuff in Russia. That however is very different than Obstruction of Justice, Conspiracy with Russia, and computer hacking. You're grouping everything he possibly did together and assuming he did it all. Wait for the report is what I say.

wejo wrote:

Not agreeing with you wrote:

Why is wejo listening to Rush Limbaugh? I would expect that from rojo, but I thought he was better than that.

Have you ever listened to Rush Limbaugh? Like a full show? What about Rachel Maddow? I'd suggest listening to a full show and trying to understand why he is the most popular person on radio in America. Same thing with Maddow and try and understand.

To just blow dismiss Limbaugh or whoever it is is lazy.[/quote]

Please tell me why I should try to "understand why Limbaugh/Maddow is the most popular person on radio in America? " That tells me nothing.

Maybe you mean I should try to listen to Limbaugh/Maddow to understand the other side? .... knowing why someone is popular is useless. I don't need to listen to Trump to understand why he is popular with his base... it's obvious, he's a con man.

But at least, he's our con man, right?

cheers

wejo wrote:

Not agreeing with you wrote:

Why is wejo listening to Rush Limbaugh? I would expect that from rojo, but I thought he was better than that.

Have you ever listened to Rush Limbaugh? Like a full show? What about Rachel Maddow? I'd suggest listening to a full show and trying to understand why he is the most popular person on radio in America. Same thing with Maddow and try and understand.

To just blow dismiss Limbaugh or whoever it is is lazy.[/quote]

Why would I listen to a racist bullsh*t artist? Kim Kardashian and Kanye West are popular, so what?

wejo wrote:

Jeff Wigand wrote:

It was a non-story. It was their money.

I wouldn't call it a non-story. Sending cash to a terrorist state (terrorist fighters are going to need to get paid in cash) SECRETLY is a big deal. If it was a non-story it would have been announced transparently.

0/10. Even an average 12 yr old would understand why you would not want to be "transparent" about transporting big piles of cash.

Proving Trump conspired with Russia, even if it did happen, could be difficult. Especially from a political perspective.

But given that this thread is about Cohen and Manafort, it may not be difficult to prove Trump guilty of tax evasion and bank fraud if he did those things.

Those two weren't caught until an intense spotlight was magnified on them.

Now you have Trump's long time CFO getting immunity for testimony. That's pretty serious.

He knows every single bank transaction that Trump has made for years.

Trump likes to talk about collusion because it's vague and hard to prove.

But he hid his taxes from the public and has said that his personal finances are a red line when it comes to this investigation.

Al Capone was a famous mobster, responsible for stealing and killing and all kinds of unsavory illegal activities.

But they couldn't pin any of that on him.

He went down for tax evasion.

Manafort sentenced:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/paul-manafort-sentencing/2019/03/07/77f527b2-3e94-11e9-9361-301ffb5bd5e6_story.html?utm_term=.8b70f168803f

I'm guessing Manafort's answer would be 47. Can't imagine what Jared's answer might be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMIKzUAY8n4