Kenyan 800m Word medallist Kipyegon Bett Suspended After Refusing Drugs Test

Subway Surfers wrote:

Well I'm not sure because the only white guys running fast at the moment share the name Ingebrigtsen. ?

There is that. When was the last white sub-13:15?

While the Africans slowed from 12:40s to 13:00s, the white guys slowed from 12:50s to 13:10s.

Looks indeed like the dopers have to decrease their dosages these days, excellent!

UKAD is overseeing Froome like USADA Armstrong.

casual obsever wrote:

UKAD is overseeing Froome like USADA Armstrong.

His case was dismissed by WADA. Nothing to do with UKAD.

His tested was carried out by the UCI at La Vuelta.

WADA= Reedie, and everything to do with being from the UK.

RENATO THE EPO OVERLORD wrote:

EPO DOES NOT WORK ON EAST AFRICANS

Hi, mindweak. Did you push to have anyone shot today?

said88 wrote:

El Keniano seems to be deeply connected with Kenyan athletics (to be honest, to me he doesn't sound like an Kenyan, more like some German(!)

WHAT?!?!?

El Keniano wrote:

said88 wrote:

El Keniano seems to be deeply connected with Kenyan athletics (to be honest, to me he doesn't sound like an Kenyan, more like some German(!)

WHAT?!?!?

lol El Keniano. Spanish, British, and now German!

Let's see what else they come up with.

hahaha roflmao lol wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

WHAT?!?!?

lol El Keniano. Spanish, British, and now German!

Let's see what else they come up with.

And don't forget the nut on this thread who's sussed me out as a "fat, pale-white, hasbro-rat" who lives in a "cluttered Brooklyn walk-up". ?

El Keniano wrote:

hahaha roflmao lol wrote:

lol El Keniano. Spanish, British, and now German!

Let's see what else they come up with.

And don't forget the nut on this thread who's sussed me out as a "fat, pale-white, hasbro-rat" who lives in a "cluttered Brooklyn walk-up". ?

hahahaha

You seem to have a rather selective memory. Had you just said "you trolled about there being no evidence for her doping in Boston", I would have just dismissed it. But you said "A big red flag was rather that (Renato) continued to claim that Jeptoo was clean in Boston, despite evidence to the contrary. Ok rekrunner did that too..." You accused me of claiming that "Jeptoo was clean in Boston", rather than "trolling about no evidence". Now it looks like a claim you no longer stand behind. Saying a "straight lie" is another example of your brand of distorting reality. Here's how it played out: I said there was "no evidence", someone provided detailed evidence, and I said I hadn't seen that level of detail before, and admitted I was wrong about the IAAF providing some evidence regarding Boston. This is not something that can honestly be summarized as a "straight lie", but more an "honest mistake". But in typical fashion, you distort the truth.

casual obsever wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

In fact, you just agreed with me when saying ""about there being no evidence for her doping in Boston".

Lame try. I wrote "you trolled about there being no evidence for her doping in Boston".

rekrunner wrote:

I said "no evidence" that the "IAAF claimed that she was already doping for Boston"

Yes you did. And that was a straight lie. As per usual.

Some people call me the worst troll, and now you call me the master. A troll is someone who posts inflammatory or provocative content for the purpose of triggering emotional reaction. The purpose of my posts is to separate facts from opinions and beliefs, not to antagonize or provoke. I often don't expect any response.

Some Trolls Never Stop wrote:

After reading his posts on this, rekrunner is the master troller!

What you call wordplay and diversion is me often having to clarify what the words I said actually mean, and re-diverting the point back on track. If I'm backpedalling, it is because some one else pedalled in the wrong direction.

You got him on the ropes wrote:

You already have him on the ropes and he's grasping for straws. Lol. You easily outwit every time and he knows this. It's so funny to see him backpedaling and using the wordplay game (e.g. "I actually didn't say that but was refering to what someone else said" or "you took my statement out of context...I was talking about another aspect of the case that you can't comprehend).

Rekrunner is the master of wordplay & diversionary tactics.

casual obsever wrote:

Subway Surfers wrote:

Well I'm not sure because the only white guys running fast at the moment share the name Ingebrigtsen. ?

There is that. When was the last white sub-13:15?

While the Africans slowed from 12:40s to 13:00s, the white guys slowed from 12:50s to 13:10s.

Looks indeed like the dopers have to decrease their dosages these days, excellent!

Four Europeans ran under 13:15 last year. Henrik ran 13:16 earlier this year and Jakob could probably run sub 13:00 right now.

When faced with African competition that overwhelmingly dopes, you'd expect general standards to drop but one or two outliers able to raise their game, train to their limits, and occasionally get dragged to a good time (by doped up rivals and doped up pacemakers). That might be what happened with guys like Craig Mottram. Of course, nobody has ever said no white runners dope, and you would expect, especially in the EPO free for all era, for a small number of Europeans and Australasians to have taken advantage. What's remarkable is that clearly only a few did, including it being unlikely the elite Brits did (excluding the possibility of Mo), given that British times actually declined.

The statistics are clear, despite Rekruners dodgy and skewed 'closer look at performances'. A five year old could spend ten minutes browsing the IAAF year by year rankings and notice the remarkable decline in African performances and that European and American times have barely changed at all.

And where do you get this '44% of athletes cheat' figure? Is that the study that involved a questionaire given to the African student games taht is regularly quoted here as though it proves what is in question - whether Europeans cheat to the extent that Africans do.

Repeating the 'everybody cheats' mantra is just another form of Kenyan doping apologism in the end. An alternative to the 'EPO doesn't work on East Africans' of Rekrunner and Canova.

Somebody like Nick Willis might not have been even close to being the most talented non-African of his generation. He might simply have been the one with the mental strength to stay focused 100% throughout his career in getting the most out of his natural talent whilst he knew most of his rivals were juiced to the gills.

So Saddique Shaban is the guy who asked Asbel Kiprop if he took epo and he replied, "Not really."

So I take it he has sources to inform of this. Anyhow the British guys on here are disappointed for Langford, now normally I would just chalk it up to the list of dirty crooks that have stolen medals (and records), which includes Shorter's claims Cierpinski stole gold off him, all those East Germans, the Russians, the London 2012 w1500m final, Sumgong, those denied by Lewis or the fact Mo Greene still has his golds when we literally have his transactions of buying EPO and HGH. The list is probably a mile long, however if Shaban says 3 times in the past 12 months, then Langford does have a fair claim to that bronze medal and it should be stripped off Bett due to overlap.

El Keniano wrote:

said88 wrote:

El Keniano seems to be deeply connected with Kenyan athletics (to be honest, to me he doesn't sound like an Kenyan, more like some German(!)

WHAT?!?!?

This was not an offense in any way, as I have clearly stated. The question is not important at all to me, I just wanted openly to give my IMPRESSIONS on this since this a few times was the subject I think. If you are Kenyan - that's great. If not - also great.

I agree in part but what about the marathon?

It's definitely a fact that they've improved a lot there.

I don't think the EA's slowing on track is mainly due to increased opting controls. I think they've just moved to the marathon along with whatever they were taking.

Just a few comments.

Even when my post was a reply to a post of yours, it was not solely addressed to you - I should have clarified that.

My other mistake was to write about various subjects which don't belong specifically in this thread. I just wanted to give some general thoughts about this subjects (Kenyan doping and all which is connected to it) which is discussed in various threads. Sorry for beeing little bit lacy and not clear.

My points are valid. You clearly pointed on the fact that Coe has had to run more races than Farah to win his medals a few days ago (if you disagree I can look which thread it was). And this is not to mix up with your other point that you think the 5000m/10000m double is easier to accomplish than the 800m/1500m one. And - if I'm right - you clearly said that World Championship medals are of no impact in some comparison when one of the athletes competed in an era where (almost) no WCs existed. For sure it's laughable to compare WC medals like (6 / 2 / 0) for one and (0 / 0 / 0) for another (for ex. Farah and Viren) when WCs in the 1970s didn't exist - this doens't need any mentioning at all. But to completely ignore the 6 Gold medals also is no help and definitely totally unfair for the first in this example (and I get the impression this - for me - strange looking at this subject has to do with Coe's (0 / 0 / 0) at the WCs). In my example for sure we had to look what was there for Viren? For example the Europeans in '74 and '78. Or the World Cup in '77 and '79. Or just to excel on the cirquit. A completely fair comparison is not possible, but to ignore many of the achievements of one athlete definitely is one of the worst attempts to do so. Just for your info: I probably also would rank Coe still ahead of Farah (1:41.73 and 2:12.18 are very strong arguments...). But it's difficult.

I hardly ever have argued if Aouita has used PEDs or not. I hardly tried anything more than: stick to correct facts. Thanks when you tried to tell Coevett that "I'm a good guy..."! But to be honest, I couldn't care less what this unbelievable character thinks about me. It would be much more helpful to tell him what HE is. A hypocritical notorious liar. What I criticise deeply is that you just give him feedback when he is right (or when you think he is) but beeing quite when he sprouds his hateful nonsense . For sure you are free to do so, but I criticise this since it encourages him. He long should be banned or at least totally ignored.

I saw that you compared Korir's run to his 1:42.05. Also that you quoted him saying to be able to run sub 1:40. Has he really said this? But still it sounds curious to me when mainly commenting such a performace with "disappointing".

Again: My points were not specifically/solely addressed to you. And I should have posted them in the relevant threads. Sorry.

Andy Norman brought mainstream doping to the UK Athletics scene during the 80s - FACT!